I have not used J6 very much for months. I have concentrated on the GTK part and now recently I am trying out the JHS part more actively but I do it in combination with GTK because I find the environment in the GTK part more what I am used to. As I see it the combination is great and no need to use just one of them. Each has its own positive side. Interestingly enough then these two front ends are very different and in many instances look like two different products. In many ways I see the JHS as the user front end and the GTK as the developer front end. That feeling may change as time goes by and we get more experience with both. At the moment quite a lot of J6 habits sit in and hamper realizing J7 facilities. It has also to do with a lot of the helps are a bit mixed and reflect much of J6 bias and as more helps/labs/demos become available it will be easier to think J7. There are a number of facilities and possibilities in both GTK as well in JHS which we have yet to integrate into the way we work with J. It seems to be quite clear that the new environments will in the long run be superior even if I sometimes miss some of J6 facilities. I am not sure if that is a good enough answer because most of us are like newbies all over again now in J7. I am especially missing the form editor in J6 and also the ease of the labs and demos but I am sure most of it will begin to be replaced as time goes by. So the only real alternative is to embrace both pretty much equally and see how the mix fits your needs.
2011/1/11 Mike Day <[email protected]> > Thanks for this and pointers from other correspondents > on debug. > > However, it's still not clear to me whether I should > concentrate on getting used to JHS and do my function/ > program development there, or instead get used to the > "cutting-edge" GTK environment. Or both. > > I realise it's largely up to the J community to make up > its group mind, but this long-time J3, J4, J5, J6 user > doesn't know which way to jump (JHS vs GTK), nor > where to look for guidance. Will there be more advice > when J7 really goes live on which horses to use for which > courses? > > Mike > > On 10/01/2011 19:14, Eric Iverson wrote: > > JHS IDE provides simple debug support. Not as nice or complete as in > J602, > > but I think it adequate for many situations. I think a few minutes to see > > what JHS provides would be worthwhile. It will pretty quickly be obvious > > whether it meets your need or not. > > > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Mike Day<[email protected] > >wrote: > > > >> I'm trying to solve an Euler problem using J7. > >> My usual approach is to try a naive method, > >> see what's going wrong and shuffle towards > >> the "correct" approach, or at least one that > >> works. This often involves a function hanging. > >> OK - I can use J701brk, but I'd like to trace > >> the function. But debug doesn't seem to be > >> available under J701GTKJ. > >> > >> Is debug a feature yet to appear in the IDE? > >> > >> I've noticed the "debug" option under J701JHS - > >> so should I be developing my solution under > >> that hood rather than the GTK IDE? > >> Unfortunately, the J602-style debug doesn't > >> appear to work here either, not with Google > >> Chrome, anyway, which is the browser I've been > >> using for a couple of years now. > >> CTRL-K for example throws a Google Chrome > >> query. The help suggests we should be using > >> dbsm. Is this indeed the case? > >> > >> TIA > >> > >> Mike > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > -- Björn Helgason, Verkfræðingur Fornustekkum II 781 Hornafirði, t-póst: [email protected] gsm: +3546985532 sími: +3544781286 http://groups.google.com/group/J-Programming Tæknikunnátta höndlar hið flókna, sköpunargáfa er meistari einfaldleikans góður kennari getur stigið á tær án þess að glansinn fari af skónum /|_ .-----------------------------------. ,' .\ / | Með léttri lund verður | ,--' _,' | Dagurinn í dag | / / | Enn betri en gærdagurinn | ( -. | `-----------------------------------' | ) | (\_ _/) (`-. '--.) (='.'=) ♖♘♗♕♔♙ `. )----' (")_(") ☃☠ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
