On May 7, 2010, at 5:30, Adam R. Maxwell wrote:

> On May 6, 2010, at 2:25 PM, Christiaan Hofman wrote:
> 
>> On May 6, 2010, at 23:05, Themis Matsoukas wrote:
>> 
>>> On May 6, 2010, at 4:32 PM, Christiaan Hofman wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Including a naked "&" in a field is indeed an error for TeX. The Log in 
>>>> the preview will also tell you this.
>>> 
>>> I guess you did not understand that the & was a test to reproduce the error 
>>> message.
>>> 
>>>> If you don't understand that this is wrong in TeX you probably should not 
>>>> even be using the TeX preview.
>>> 
>>> Thank you for the kind suggestion. 
>>> 
>>> Themis  
>> 
>> Than what's your point?
> 
> I believe the secondary point is that your comment seems needlessly snide.  
> For the record, Themis has been using BibDesk for a long time; he is one of 
> the few who actually donated to the project [1], and has also been 
> instrumental in reproducing some memorable bugs (e.g., [2] & [3] come to 
> mind).

My apologies for that, I had a bad day yesterday. 

> 
> The original point he demonstrated is that there's no way to debug failures 
> of the TeX preview in the main window, unless you're aware of the preview 
> panel.

But in the previous messages it was explained where the log can be found and 
can't be found. 

>  It looks like this commit removed display of the log/debug info in the PDF 
> view when no PDF was produced:
> 
> http://bibdesk.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bibdesk/trunk/bibdesk/BDSKPreviewer.m?r1=9360&r2=9447
> 
> Maybe reverting that would help people figure out that TeX itself failed, if 
> they're using that preview in the main window.
> 

I really don't like to get that log in the main preview window, especially 
there. That change was also done for a reason, even though I don't remember all 
the details. Rather remove the in-window preview. But then people will keep 
complaining again.

> 
> [1] https://sourceforge.net/project/project_donations.php?group_id=61487
> [2] 
> http://bibdesk.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bibdesk/trunk/bibdesk/BDSKConverter.m?r1=359&r2=383
> [3] 
> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=1097306&group_id=61487&atid=497423
> 


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