Hello all,
Back in the day...many moons ago...when many people were working at the
Downtown Plan component before the word that begins with "E" and ends with
"water" ate up all the attention...there were several good visualations of that
corner. My personal favorite suggestion was the realigned and lighted traffic
circle concept put forward before the plan process back in 2005 as part of a
potential Essen Haus block project, I believe it was introduced by Heidi
Natura, Arlan and Lori Kay's daughter, who is a landscape architect. You can
see visualation of it here on page 42...and this document also has some very
cool other thoughts and projected strategies put forth by many excellent
planners and longtime visionaries of our area
http://www.downtownmadison.org/media/DDPW_Document_final.pdf
Happy Planning! I look forward to seeing some of these become reality someday!
Troy Thiel
First Weber's Capitol Office
Over 450 Properties & $85 Million Sold!
222 West Washington Avenue, Suite 20
Madison, WI 53703
www.TroyThiel.com
Phone: (608) 347-9670 Fax: 663-8040
email: [email protected]
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From: Patrick Lenon <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Bikies] Machinery Row Intersection Feedback
Apologies for the lack of clarity. Daryl covered most of the ground that I was
trying to cover, only better.
Yeah, mostly I meant Wilson where I said Main St. It doesn't help that
following John Nolen puts you on Blair, following Wilson puts you on Willy,
etc. etc.
The key, though, is the flying right turn onto Willy Street. If you're coming
from the Lake Monona side the light and traffic are pretty visible. However,
coming from Main and Wilson towards Lake Monona the angle is such that cars
approaching from the right can be partially hidden by vehicles backed up from
the Wilson Street stoplight. And as I said, those cars heading for the Willy
St. off ramp typically are moving very quickly.
The whole intersection needs to be simplified.
------------ Patrick Lenon
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Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:56:41 -0500
Subject: Re: [Bikies] Machinery Row Intersection Feedback
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
CC: [email protected]; [email protected]
Patrick -
I want to understand # 1 a-b below, but am confused where you mean. E Main St
is one block north, with no lights, only stop signs for traffic on Main St.
Did you mean Wilson St? That is the street that goes up the hill towards the
Capitol, and also the little stub of a street that is east of Blair leading to
the Isthmus Path eastbound.
It sounds like you are having trouble crossing Willy St from the Isthmus Path
to the Lake Monona Path because of the flying rights from John Nolen to Willy
St? (Southbound to continue west on the Lake Monona Path)
I know it makes for a two-staged crossing (not very bike-friendly), but if you
follow the pedestrian WALK lights, you won't have a conflict with turning
vehicles.
And this brings up another suggestion when responding. Because there are two
paths - the East Isthmus Path and the Lake Monona Path (both technically part
of the Capital City Trail), and various streets: John Nolen, Blair, Williamson,
and Wilson, it would be helpful for people commenting and responding to be as
detailed as possible in what maneuver and in which direction you are having
trouble. Be specific about where you are coming from and where you are going,
if you can. Many people make these crossings in two or three steps, while
others make the maneuver in one step, like driving a car, so we may not always
understand why/where you are having trouble.
Speaking as Chair of the PBMVC,
Robbie Webber
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Patrick Lenon <[email protected]> wrote:
1. Biggest problem is when the green arrow is lit to Willy Street while the
cyclists are crossing East Main on their way to the bike path, because:
> a) Cyclists can't see the arrow so they may not realize that traffic is
>coming through
> b) View of cars coming through is often obscured by west-bound vehicles
>stopped at the light (waiting to cross East Main the other way). Often I've
>started to cross and a vehicle appears around the curve, or changes lanes into
>the curve to get out of traffic.
> c) Seeing vehicles stopped at the west-bound light as in b) tends to make
>cyclists think that the Willy St traffic has a red light when it does not
> d) Cars frequently speed through the curve to Willy St. to make the light
>Also:
> e) Westbound cyclists have to cross the bike path to get to a small holding
>area, frequently blocking the path
> f) The intersection overall is very confusing. It is very difficult to get
>to Machinery Row businesses from any direction other than from the Convention
>Center.
>
>
>2. How to fix it?
> GET RID OF THE WILLY ST. "OFF-RAMP." I say that as both a cyclist and a
>motorist who frequently drives that way. It's just not worth the risk. Close
>off the special lane and set up a right turn on red. It'll be plenty fast
>enough.
>
>------------ Patrick Lenon
>
>
>
>________________________________
>Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 12:49:58 -0500
>From: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [Bikies] Machinery Row Intersection Feedback
>
>
>Hello,
>
>The Bike Fed is assisting the City in getting feedback on biking through the
>Machinery Row intersection (Blair/John Nolen/Willy/E.Main). Who hasn't been
>frustrated with this intersection?! While the intersection is scheduled to be
>reconstructed in 2017, the City is interested in making smaller improvements
>to make bicycling safer and more convenient in this intersection in 2012 -
>2013.
>
>Please reply with the following information:
>
>1. What problems have you experienced at this intersection?
>2. Do you have ideas for specific improvements?
>
>I am currently compiling the information and will submit final feedback to the
>city early next week. Please respond with your comments no later than this
>FRIDAY.
>
>Thank you,
>Amanda
>________________________
>Amanda White
>Associate Director
>Bicycle Federation of Wisconsin
>(608) 251-4456
>[email protected]
>www.bfw.org
>
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