Unless there is *scientific evidence* that the beeping is effective in preventing crashes/injury to peds, bikers and other vehicles, I vote to discontinue the noise as unnecessary urban noise pollution, and would focus instead on better training of Madison Metro drivers.
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Peter Gray <[email protected]> wrote: > After viewing the video I'll add to my last comment: or maybe the person > struck was behaving badly. > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Grant Foster <[email protected]> wrote: > >> If you think this is about a little beep that occurs only once a half >> hour at any given location, you haven't been listening to the experiences >> that people are sharing here. There are a lot of places and routes that are >> now dominated by the beeping anytime a bus is in the vicinity. Anywhere >> where stops are close together the beeping is nearly continuous (right >> signal on a half block before the stop, signal stays on while the bus is at >> the stop sometimes loading wheelchairs or bikes, left signal comes on to >> leave the stop and stays on for a half block while the bus pulls out). >> >> Here is a link to a sruveilence mix tape Metro published as part of their >> "Safe Streets" initiative to show some of the issues experienced. I think >> it clearly shows that there is a lot of bad behavior out there from people >> on foot and people on bikes. I was surprised to not see much bad behavior >> from Metro drivers as it relates to interactions with people on foot and >> people on bikes since I've personally witnessed a good number of major >> issues in the last few months alone. But most telling, is that I don't >> think any reasonable person could assert that the beeping would have helped >> in any of the 12 incidents depicted in the video. >> >> >> http://media.cityofmadison.com/Mediasite/Play/0643247b29a24605a8e47fcacb04248f1d >> >> On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 1:06 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> > On Jun 4, Harald wrote: >>> > >>> >> My two cents: The turn signal sound is noise pollution in an urban >>> >> environment, and I don't think there is solid scientific evidence of a >>> >> safety benefit (If somebody is aware of good studies, I'd be very >>> >> interested). >>> >>> Michael: >>> >>> > This, exactly. Whether one finds the sound annoying or not is >>> immaterial. >>> > If it only adds to the din without a demonstrable safety benefit, then >>> why >>> > have it? >>> >>> I look at it the other way. No, I don't know if there are any studies >>> offering "solid scientific evidence" of a safety benefit (and hard to >>> study it if you don't do it), but I think that's an excessively high >>> standard when you consider that the negative impact of using it is darn >>> near ZERO. So to rephrase, "If there is a chance that it might have some >>> benefit, and has no demonstrable negative effects, why NOT have it?" >>> >>> There are many worse problems on the street than a little beep that >>> occurs >>> only once a half hour (or longer) at any given location. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Bikies mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bikies mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > >
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