If you think this is about a little beep that occurs only once a half hour
at any given location, you haven't been listening to the experiences that
people are sharing here. There are a lot of places and routes that are now
dominated by the beeping anytime a bus is in the vicinity. Anywhere where
stops are close together the beeping is nearly continuous (right signal on
a half block before the stop, signal stays on while the bus is at the stop
sometimes loading wheelchairs or bikes, left signal comes on to leave the
stop and stays on for a half block while the bus pulls out).

Here is a link to a sruveilence mix tape Metro published as part of their
"Safe Streets" initiative to show some of the issues experienced. I think
it clearly shows that there is a lot of bad behavior out there from people
on foot and people on bikes. I was surprised to not see much bad behavior
from Metro drivers as it relates to interactions with people on foot and
people on bikes since I've personally witnessed a good number of major
issues in the last few months alone. But most telling, is that I don't
think any reasonable person could assert that the beeping would have helped
in any of the 12 incidents depicted in the video.


http://media.cityofmadison.com/Mediasite/Play/0643247b29a24605a8e47fcacb04248f1d

On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 1:06 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:

> > On Jun 4, Harald wrote:
> >
> >> My two cents: The turn signal sound is noise pollution in an urban
> >> environment, and I don't think there is solid scientific evidence of a
> >> safety benefit (If somebody is aware of good studies, I'd be very
> >> interested).
>
> Michael:
>
> > This, exactly. Whether one finds the sound annoying or not is immaterial.
> > If it only adds to the din without a demonstrable safety benefit, then
> why
> > have it?
>
> I look at it the other way.  No, I don't know if there are any studies
> offering "solid scientific evidence" of a safety benefit (and hard to
> study it if you don't do it), but I think that's an excessively high
> standard when you consider that the negative impact of using it is darn
> near ZERO.  So to rephrase, "If there is a chance that it might have some
> benefit, and has no demonstrable negative effects, why NOT have it?"
>
> There are many worse problems on the street than a little beep that occurs
> only once a half hour (or longer) at any given location.
>
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