Installing an unprotected bike lane next to high-volume, high-speed traffic is simply inappropriate.
This report from FHWA does a good job reviewing all of the other good resources that say so including: Design Manual for Bicycle Traffic (Netherlands), Collection of Cycle Concepts (Denmark), NACTO, and others. "In other words: In urban areas, a separated bike lane is preferred over 4,000 ADT and/or when vehicle speeds reach 30 mph." http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environment/bicycle_pedestrian/publications/separated_bikelane_pdg/separatedbikelane_pdg_appendix.pdf On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 4:16 PM Clayton Griessmeyer <[email protected]> wrote: > Dave, > > > > Yes, cars must give a minimum of 3 feet when trying to pass from behind > under all circumstances. After reviewing many crash reports involving > cyclists, my opinion is that when there is a car vs. bicycle crash, it is > not unusual for the police to not cite the driver of a car even when the > driver is clearly at fault. > > > > I have seen many clear violations of law noted in the report (under > contributing factors) but a warning instead of a citation for a driver, or > nothing at all. This includes dogs on the road with no leash, cars turning > left in front of cyclists, cars turning right into a cyclist….. > > > > I still have not figured out why I get a ticket/fine for parking in a spot > for more than 2 hours, but when someone causes permanent injuries to a > person by violating a law, they get a warning. [Long story short, the law > says cars have to give you 3 feet, but if you get hit from behind, the > driver will likely tell police you swerved in front of him, and the police > will probably give a warning or blame you. > > > > Also, cars are allowed to cross a yellow line to pass cyclists in order to > give them at least three feet. From personal experience, I have noticed > many drivers forget, or not realize they can slow to a speed slower than a > cyclist if there is oncoming traffic. For example, when there is oncoming, > drivers pass very close to me at a high rate of speed and use the oncoming > traffic as an excuse rather than just slowing and waiting until it is > clear. Maybe they are afraid of getting rear ended or they don’t know they > can cross the center line? > > > > When driving a car, I often try to slow to just over the cyclist’s speed > before passing just to force drivers behind me to slow because I know a lot > of them won’t move over. > > > > As a cyclist, I get less scared by a driver passing near me at a slow rate > of speed than I do by someone a few feet over (or even three feet over) at > 55+ mph-especially things like-semi trucks or dump trucks. > > > > I am not here to bash police. I just want to share my experiences that > lead me to conclude “laws” don’t protect us as much as we think they do > because: 1. Drivers may not know of them; 2. Police may not know of them; > 3. Drivers may not follow them; 4. Police may not enforce them. > > > > Clay > > > > > > > > *From:* Bikies [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Dave > Minden > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 2:45 PM > *To:* Margie Franzen <[email protected]>; William Hauda < > [email protected]> > *Cc:* [email protected] > > > *Subject:* Re: [Bikies] biking the wrong way on Fish Hatchery > > > > What's up with the 3-foot passing law? Aren't cars bound by this, even > when the lane lines are closer together, i.e., don't they have to swing > around to keep the 3-foot margin? > > > > Dave > > > > > > On Tuesday, August 11, 2015 2:37 PM, Margie Franzen < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > As someone who bikes in the right direction (with traffic) for work on > Fish Hatchery and as someone who was very nearly killed by an left-turning > city truck at the new intersection with FH by the new UW clinic: yes, > please, please get a designated path. A white stripe doesn't protect > against the dump trucks, the semis, the busses....all passing barely a foot > from my left shoulder. > > Many thanks, > > Margie Franzen > > > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 11:56 AM, William Hauda <[email protected]> wrote: > > Crossing Fish Hatchery Road from Cannonball to get on the northbound > bike lane is risky and time consuming, especially in rush hour traffic. The > simplest, safest, and most cost-effective solution is to have a path that > parallels Fish Hatchery Road adjacent to the Arboretum property and > connecting to the Wingra path. I don't know the Fish Hatchery Road easement > width, who owns what, what the cost of a bike bridge over Wingra Creek > would be, but this would certainly be less expensive than building a new > bridge over Fish Hatchery Road and constructing the tail on the other side. > > On 8/7/2015 11:35 AM, Ian Alderman wrote: > > Yes, this is along the Arboretum. > > > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Robbie Webber <[email protected]> > wrote: > > It could also be that one or more people need to travel a short distance > to a destination on Fish Hatch on the same side of the road, and they don't > want to try to try to cross peak hour traffic twice to reach their > destination. Is it the area next to the Arboretum where there is no > sidewalk? > > > Robbie Webber > Transportation Policy Analyst > 608-263-9984 (o) > > 608-225-0002 (c) > > [email protected] > > All opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of > my employer or any other group with which I am affiliated. > > > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Ian Alderman <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I've seen this three days in a row now, during my morning (car) commute: > Darwin award candidate bikers biking North on Fish Hatchery facing MV > traffic going Southbound. I think this is because of the gap between the > Cannonball Trail and destinations to the North. I expect this will go on > until this gap is filled. > > > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bikies mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >
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