This is the main argument against sidepaths (essentially wide sidewalks) and the main argument for one-way protected bike lanes with appropriate design elements at driveways and intersections.
I think this is why you see some people on bikes preferring on-street lanes (even if they're unprotected) over sidepaths and has led to what I think is an awkward design compromise of a sidepath + unprotected on-street lanes (University Ave, and coming soon Pleasant View). There's an imaginary distinction that's been internalized by designers that there are confident cyclists who want to be exposed to high-speed, high-volume traffic in order to save a second on their commute and cautious cyclists who want to be as far away from MVs as possible and don't mind taking a lot of extra time. I would argue that designing high quality, one-way, protected bike lanes would best meet the needs and preferences of all people on bikes 8-80. Grant On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Doug Adler <[email protected]> wrote: > I would only want a designated path if it were part of the roadway. I > used to bike FH every day and stopped using the "sidewalk" paths due to all > the close calls with left and right turners and cross traffic > cruising through the path before stopping. I think drivers are more likely > to notice bikes on the roadway than on a path 10 feet away from the road. > > -Doug Adler > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Margie Franzen <[email protected]> > *To:* William Hauda <[email protected]> > *Cc:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Friday, August 07, 2015 11:58 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Bikies] biking the wrong way on Fish Hatchery > > As someone who bikes in the right direction (with traffic) for work on > Fish Hatchery and as someone who was very nearly killed by an left-turning > city truck at the new intersection with FH by the new UW clinic: yes, > please, please get a designated path. A white stripe doesn't protect > against the dump trucks, the semis, the busses....all passing barely a foot > from my left shoulder. > Many thanks, > Margie Franzen > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 11:56 AM, William Hauda <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Crossing Fish Hatchery Road from Cannonball to get on the northbound >> bike lane is risky and time consuming, especially in rush hour traffic. The >> simplest, safest, and most cost-effective solution is to have a path that >> parallels Fish Hatchery Road adjacent to the Arboretum property and >> connecting to the Wingra path. I don't know the Fish Hatchery Road easement >> width, who owns what, what the cost of a bike bridge over Wingra Creek >> would be, but this would certainly be less expensive than building a new >> bridge over Fish Hatchery Road and constructing the tail on the other side. >> >> On 8/7/2015 11:35 AM, Ian Alderman wrote: >> >> Yes, this is along the Arboretum. >> >> On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Robbie Webber <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> It could also be that one or more people need to travel a short distance >>> to a destination on Fish Hatch on the same side of the road, and they don't >>> want to try to try to cross peak hour traffic twice to reach their >>> destination. Is it the area next to the Arboretum where there is no >>> sidewalk? >>> >>> Robbie Webber >>> Transportation Policy Analyst >>> 608-263-9984 (o) >>> 608-225-0002 (c) >>> [email protected] >>> All opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those >>> of my employer or any other group with which I am affiliated. >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Ian Alderman <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I've seen this three days in a row now, during my morning (car) >>>> commute: Darwin award candidate bikers biking North on Fish Hatchery facing >>>> MV traffic going Southbound. I think this is because of the gap between the >>>> Cannonball Trail and destinations to the North. I expect this will go on >>>> until this gap is filled. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Bikies mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bikies mailing >> [email protected]http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bikies mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> >> > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > >
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