This is the link to the guide: http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environment/bicycle_pedestrian/publications/separated_bikelane_pdg/separatedbikelane_pdg.pdf
The other link was for the appendix. On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 4:30 PM Grant Foster <[email protected]> wrote: > Installing an unprotected bike lane next to high-volume, high-speed > traffic is simply inappropriate. > > This report from FHWA does a good job reviewing all of the other good > resources that say so including: Design Manual for Bicycle Traffic > (Netherlands), Collection of Cycle Concepts (Denmark), NACTO, and others. > > "In other words: In urban areas, a separated bike lane is preferred over > 4,000 ADT and/or when vehicle speeds reach 30 mph." > > > http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environment/bicycle_pedestrian/publications/separated_bikelane_pdg/separatedbikelane_pdg_appendix.pdf > > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 4:16 PM Clayton Griessmeyer < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Dave, >> >> >> >> Yes, cars must give a minimum of 3 feet when trying to pass from behind >> under all circumstances. After reviewing many crash reports involving >> cyclists, my opinion is that when there is a car vs. bicycle crash, it is >> not unusual for the police to not cite the driver of a car even when the >> driver is clearly at fault. >> >> >> >> I have seen many clear violations of law noted in the report (under >> contributing factors) but a warning instead of a citation for a driver, or >> nothing at all. This includes dogs on the road with no leash, cars turning >> left in front of cyclists, cars turning right into a cyclist….. >> >> >> >> I still have not figured out why I get a ticket/fine for parking in a >> spot for more than 2 hours, but when someone causes permanent injuries to a >> person by violating a law, they get a warning. [Long story short, the law >> says cars have to give you 3 feet, but if you get hit from behind, the >> driver will likely tell police you swerved in front of him, and the police >> will probably give a warning or blame you. >> >> >> >> Also, cars are allowed to cross a yellow line to pass cyclists in order >> to give them at least three feet. From personal experience, I have noticed >> many drivers forget, or not realize they can slow to a speed slower than a >> cyclist if there is oncoming traffic. For example, when there is oncoming, >> drivers pass very close to me at a high rate of speed and use the oncoming >> traffic as an excuse rather than just slowing and waiting until it is >> clear. Maybe they are afraid of getting rear ended or they don’t know they >> can cross the center line? >> >> >> >> When driving a car, I often try to slow to just over the cyclist’s speed >> before passing just to force drivers behind me to slow because I know a lot >> of them won’t move over. >> >> >> >> As a cyclist, I get less scared by a driver passing near me at a slow >> rate of speed than I do by someone a few feet over (or even three feet >> over) at 55+ mph-especially things like-semi trucks or dump trucks. >> >> >> >> I am not here to bash police. I just want to share my experiences that >> lead me to conclude “laws” don’t protect us as much as we think they do >> because: 1. Drivers may not know of them; 2. Police may not know of them; >> 3. Drivers may not follow them; 4. Police may not enforce them. >> >> >> >> Clay >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Bikies [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Dave >> Minden >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 2:45 PM >> *To:* Margie Franzen <[email protected]>; William Hauda < >> [email protected]> >> *Cc:* [email protected] >> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [Bikies] biking the wrong way on Fish Hatchery >> >> >> >> What's up with the 3-foot passing law? Aren't cars bound by this, even >> when the lane lines are closer together, i.e., don't they have to swing >> around to keep the 3-foot margin? >> >> >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, August 11, 2015 2:37 PM, Margie Franzen < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> As someone who bikes in the right direction (with traffic) for work on >> Fish Hatchery and as someone who was very nearly killed by an left-turning >> city truck at the new intersection with FH by the new UW clinic: yes, >> please, please get a designated path. A white stripe doesn't protect >> against the dump trucks, the semis, the busses....all passing barely a foot >> from my left shoulder. >> >> Many thanks, >> >> Margie Franzen >> >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 11:56 AM, William Hauda <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Crossing Fish Hatchery Road from Cannonball to get on the northbound >> bike lane is risky and time consuming, especially in rush hour traffic. The >> simplest, safest, and most cost-effective solution is to have a path that >> parallels Fish Hatchery Road adjacent to the Arboretum property and >> connecting to the Wingra path. I don't know the Fish Hatchery Road easement >> width, who owns what, what the cost of a bike bridge over Wingra Creek >> would be, but this would certainly be less expensive than building a new >> bridge over Fish Hatchery Road and constructing the tail on the other side. >> >> On 8/7/2015 11:35 AM, Ian Alderman wrote: >> >> Yes, this is along the Arboretum. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Robbie Webber <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> It could also be that one or more people need to travel a short distance >> to a destination on Fish Hatch on the same side of the road, and they don't >> want to try to try to cross peak hour traffic twice to reach their >> destination. Is it the area next to the Arboretum where there is no >> sidewalk? >> >> >> Robbie Webber >> Transportation Policy Analyst >> 608-263-9984 (o) >> >> 608-225-0002 (c) >> >> [email protected] >> >> All opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of >> my employer or any other group with which I am affiliated. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Ian Alderman <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> I've seen this three days in a row now, during my morning (car) commute: >> Darwin award candidate bikers biking North on Fish Hatchery facing MV >> traffic going Southbound. I think this is because of the gap between the >> Cannonball Trail and destinations to the North. 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