What are the differences between VMWare Player and Workstation? Also is there a VINUX virtual machine I can download anywhere? tia Frank
-----Original Message----- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Donald Marang Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 11:41 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] virtual machine The VMware JAWS scripts are at: http://mysite.verizon.net/marangs/VMware.html They rreally are not necessary with Player 3.0, which now is 95% accessible without scripts. Unless, you have needs like networked teams of virtual machines or snapshot / clone / movie (recording of all changes) playback, I highly recommend the free VMware Player 3.0 software. The scripts for Workstation are more productive. Don Marang -------------------------------------------------- From: "G.Braille" <g.brai...@sympatico.ca> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 5:27 PM To: <blind-computing@jaws-users.com> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] virtual machine > Hi Don Marang > Can you post your site to check out the type of jaws script which you have > there? > Thanks! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donald Marang" <donald.mar...@gmail.com> > To: <blind-computing@jaws-users.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 5:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] virtual machine > > > | Being a consumer sucks! I am still used to site licenses of most > software, > | and if there was a seat count, I had no problem getting a seat. > | Fortunately, most of my use of virtualization is with Vinux and will > | probably stay that way due to these issues. It sure would be nice to be > | able to run older versions of Windows and JAWS to test JAWS scripts. > Since > | I provide scripts free, it is not possible to invest in worthwhile > things > | such as MCP. > | > | Don Marang > | > | -------------------------------------------------- > | From: "Frank Ventura" <frank.vent...@littlebreezes.com> > | Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 8:24 AM > | To: <blind-computing@jaws-users.com> > | Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] virtual machine > | > | > Absolutely, the best thing I ever did was becoming a MCP/MCSA and > | > getting an action pack subscription so all of my internal testing > | > machines can make use of that licensing. > | > Frank > | > > | > -----Original Message----- > | > From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com > | > [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jacob > | > Kruger > | > Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 7:28 AM > | > To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com > | > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] virtual machine > | > > | > I know, and, fortunately, my current employer is a MCSP as far as I > | > know, so > | > they can provide me with multiple licences if I need it. > | > > | > Stay well > | > > | > Jacob Kruger > | > Blind Biker > | > Skype: BlindZA > | > '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' > | > > | > ----- Original Message ----- > | > From: "Frank Ventura" <frank.vent...@littlebreezes.com> > | > To: <blind-computing@jaws-users.com> > | > Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 2:21 PM > | > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] virtual machine > | > > | > > | >> Having done quite a bit of work n virtualized environments the rule > of > | >> thumb that works is that when t comes to Windows make sure you have a > | >> license for every incident that you are running. When it comes to JFW > | > if > | >> you need to have multiple JFW incidents running at the same time > | >> consider buying the network version of JFW, it makes life much, much > | >> easier. > | >> Frank > | >> > | >> -----Original Message----- > | >> From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com > | >> [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jacob > | >> Kruger > | >> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 7:03 PM > | >> To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com > | >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] virtual machine > | >> > | >> Makes sense. > | >> > | >> I think I would generally just run a virtual version of jaws in 40 > | >> minute > | >> mode etc., but even without actually allowing an installation of > | > windows > | >> to > | >> carry out it's online activation, you'd still need to enter a > | >> registration > | >> key during installation, and that would possibly toggle something to > | > do > | >> with > | >> your licence at some stage. > | >> > | >> Honestly though, for now, the only virtual machine have tried out > much > | >> is > | >> vinux, and there's not such an issue there, but I did want to try out > | >> things > | >> like windows 95 etc. to try out versions of narrator I have that are > | >> meant > | >> to work on them, but suppose that also negates this joint licence > | > issue > | >> as > | >> such. > | >> > | >> Stay well > | >> > | >> Jacob Kruger > | >> Blind Biker > | >> Skype: BlindZA > | >> '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' > | >> > | >> ----- Original Message ----- > | >> From: "Donald Marang" <donald.mar...@gmail.com> > | >> To: <blind-computing@jaws-users.com> > | >> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 1:42 AM > | >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] virtual machine > | >> > | >> > | >>> Good question! According to my attempts to get answers from > | >> Microsoft, > | >>> Apple and Freedom Scientific. The answer from Apple is simple. > | >> Anyone > | >>> attempting to run their Operating System on any hardware that is not > | >> from > | >>> Apple will be prosecuted! the response from the other two depend on > | >> who > | >>> you ask, and what day it is. Microsoft clearly requires anyone > | >> running > | >>> Windows in a Virtual Machine on a Mac or Linux platform must buy a > | >>> separate license for that installation. Microsoft used to be clear > | >> that a > | >>> license was needed for each virtual machine. This did not get much > | >> push > | >>> back until lately when Microsoft who now wants to sell > virtualization > | >> to > | >>> consumers. I understandMicrosoft's view of licensing Virtual > | > Machines > | >> on > | >>> a computer running the same OS, or even a version previously updated > | >> to > | >>> the current version has relaxed a bit. However, there are actually > | >>> provisions in the Windows 7 license that are very strict and make > | >>> ffollowing official Microsoft on screen instructions during > | >> installation > | >>> illegal! For instance, the way the licence is written, it is not > | >> legal to > | >>> create a dual oot system that can boot both the 32 bit and 64 bit > | >> versions > | >>> of Windows 7! However, any technical person at Microsoft will say > it > | >> is > | >>> perfectly legitimate. Currently installing and authorizing JAWS in a > | >>> Virtual Machine will use up aa license key! Everyone I talked to at > | >>> Freedom Scientific so far think that would be acceptable. I have > not > | >>> pushed it yet to the point where I needed to talk to a person to add > | >> more > | >>> keys, so I do not know how they would handle that. I have > considered > | >> a > | >>> dongle version of JAWS, which should automatically authorize as many > | >>> Virtual Machines as you like. Since I have not tried this, I have > no > | >> idea > | >>> if this has issues like the host falling back to demo mode if you > | >> spend > | >>> too much time in the Virtual Machine with the USB dongle attached. > | >>> > | >>> It sure makes open solutions like Linux and NVDA look great, since > | >> these > | >>> issues go away! > | >>> > | >>> Don Marang > | >>> > | >>> -------------------------------------------------- > | >>> From: "Jacob Kruger" <jac...@mailzone.co.za> > | >>> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 3:30 PM > | >>> To: <blind-computing@jaws-users.com> > | >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] virtual machine > | >>> > | >>>> Along the lines of that, if I just wanted a clean, test instance of > | >> my > | >>>> current operating system - does it count as a licence issue if I > | >> install > | >>>> it on a virtual machine that runs within my normally used instance > | > of > | >> the > | >>>> same licenced installation? > | >>>> > | >>>> In other words, while I would be making use of 2 copies of the same > | >>>> licence, it would however be on the same physical machine. > | >>>> > | >>>> Suppose it might actually cause validation issues if they were both > | >>>> online at the same time as well. > | >>>> > | >>>> Not too important/relevant as such, but just wondering. > | >>>> > | >>>> Stay well > | >>>> > | >>>> Jacob Kruger > | >>>> Blind Biker > | >>>> Skype: BlindZA > | >>>> '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' > | >>>> > | >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > | >>>> From: "Frank Ventura" <frank.vent...@littlebreezes.com> > | >>>> To: <blind-computing@jaws-users.com> > | >>>> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 5:05 PM > | >>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] virtual machine > | >>>> > | >>>> > | >>>>>A virtual machine is just that another machine. You will need to > buy > | >> an > | >>>>> unused copy of the retail version of XP (try EBay) and install it > | >> into > | >>>>> a newly created virtual machine. > | >>>>> Frank Ventura > | >>>>> > | >>>>> > | >>>>> -----Original Message----- > | >>>>> From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com > | >>>>> [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Kevin > | >>>>> Andrews > | >>>>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 2:42 PM > | >>>>> To: blind-computing > | >>>>> Subject: [Blind-Computing] virtual machine > | >>>>> > | >>>>> Hi, > | >>>>> > | >>>>> I was wondering if it would be possible to obtain a Windows XP > | >> virtual > | >>>>> machine. I already have VMware player installed. I did some > | > browsing > | >> on > | >>>>> the Internet, but it looks like I need to insert my Windows XP cd, > | >> which > | >>>>> I don't have Windows xp. Isn't the purpose of a vm is so you can > | > run > | >> it > | >>>>> without a cd? > | >>>>> > | >>>>> If anyone could direct to any links on the WEB where I may be able > | >> to > | >>>>> download a virtual machine, either Windows XP home or pro, that > | >> would be > | >>>>> much appreciated. > | >>>>> > | >>>>> Thank you. > | >>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > | >>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > | >>>>> > | >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. > | >>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > | >>>>> Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2696 - Release Date: > | >> 02/20/10 > | >>>>> 07:34:00 > | >>>>> > | >>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > | >>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > | >>>>> > | >>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > | >>>>> signature database 4883 (20100220) __________ > | >>>>> > | >>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > | >>>>> > | >>>>> http://www.eset.com > | >>>>> > | >>>>> > | >>>>> > | >>>> > | >>>> > | >>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > | >>>> signature database 4883 (20100220) __________ > | >>>> > | >>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > | >>>> > | >>>> http://www.eset.com > | >>>> > | >>>> > | >>>> > | >>>> > | >>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > | >>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > | >>> > | >>> > | >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > | >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > | >>> > | >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > | >>> signature database 4883 (20100220) __________ > | >>> > | >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > | >>> > | >>> http://www.eset.com > | >>> > | >>> > | >>> > | >> > | >> > | >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > | >> signature database 4883 (20100220) __________ > | >> > | >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > | >> > | >> http://www.eset.com > | >> > | >> > | >> > | >> > | >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > | >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > | >> > | >> No virus found in this incoming message. > | >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > | >> Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2699 - Release Date: > | > 02/20/10 > | >> 07:34:00 > | >> > | >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > | >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > | >> > | >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > | >> signature database 4883 (20100220) __________ > | >> > | >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > | >> > | >> http://www.eset.com > | >> > | >> > | >> > | > > | > > | > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > | > signature database 4883 (20100220) __________ > | > > | > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > | > > | > http://www.eset.com > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > | > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > | > > | > No virus found in this incoming message. > | > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > | > Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2699 - Release Date: > 02/20/10 > | > 07:34:00 > | > > | > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > | > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > | > | > | For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > | http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > | > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
