Here’s an example of my point about using skill or not using skill when
playing a game.
You have a bowling game that you want to play. Rather than rolling 1
ball,
you roll 2 at the same time, triggering the switches that determine pin
action. Using this method, you can score a perfect game! Try it using
only
1 ball. This would take skill to score well. Which would you prefer?
Now,
after your first ball, there is no feedback as to which pins remain
standing. How do you know what to do to get a spare, or do you just roll
a
ball randomly in hopes of getting lucky? After the second ball, or at the
end of the game, you aren’t given your score. I would very much prefer
knowing what to shoot at for a spare, and how successful I was, and I do
want to know my final score so that I can try to top my high score. After
all, the object of bowling is not to just roll a ball down a lane, but to
get a high score.
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
From: Liam Erven
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:30 PM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] Gaming without Aiming, panel discussion from
ourold pal Liam!
What ever happened to a game just being fun.
Why can’t we just enjoy a game even if we’re horrible at it? I point this
out in my talk. It’s not about skill, but about having a good time.
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From: Justin Jones
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:24 PM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] Gaming without Aiming, panel discussion from
ourold pal Liam!
It's not cheating if that is a built-in game mechanic, i.e. if people
can hammer on a button and hope that they can catch the ball and flip
it to where it needs to go without penalty, then that is an inherent
flaw with the game itself.
If you try to button-mash a mainstream fighting game, for instance,
and you run into someone with real skill, you will not win that
battle. Skill wins every time, but you have to have a game designed
from the ground up to reward skill over mindless button-mashing.
On 9/25/17, Charles Rivard <wee1s...@fidnet.com> wrote:
How is my post out of line? It is a gaming topic. It has nothing to do
with "real life". My point is that continuous shooting takes no skill,
while waiting until you should shoot and being quick enough to do so
successfully is the actual object of pinball or any other game. Playing
one
way is a game of skill while playing the other way takes no skill.
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Jude DaShiell
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:31 AM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] Gaming without Aiming, panel discussion from
our
old pal Liam!
No game penalties are imposed for missed shots and this is out of line
with reality. Actually, in real life three penalties apply. First,
time wasted cannot be recovered. Second, wasted energy which may be
recovered in time if the player survives long enough. Third, and most
important your opponent gets a shot at your position which your failed
shot just gave away. These penalties apply far more in real world
sniper situations than games made accessible for blind players but in
real world simulators used to prepare actual soldiers all of those
penalties will apply if for no other reason than to keep those soldiers
alive longer in the real field exercises and campaigns.
On Mon, 25 Sep 2017, Charles Rivard wrote:
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 06:46:25
From: Charles Rivard <wee1s...@fidnet.com>
Reply-To: blind-gamers@groups.io
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] Gaming without Aiming,
panel discussion from our old pal Liam!
Although this has nothing to do with Liam's panel, it does fall in line
with the subject line, so here are my thoughts, and I would like yours:
Some people claim that they can play a game without being able to see
when
to hit a rolling ball or other such task that requires sight. As it
turns
out, all they are doing is continuously, very frantically, firing. Take
Blindfold Pinball for example. For a while, I hosted an iPhone gaming
event on
www.Out-Of-Sight.net
in which we chose a game that was on everyone's iPhone, and we took
turns
locking out mike key down, playing 1 ball, then releasing our mike key
for
the next player. After the third ball had been played, high score won.
The way that I played was to listen for when the ball approached a
flipper, then hitting the flipper, trying to actually use skill when
playing. Others would launch their ball and immediately start hammering
away at the flippers in hopes of hitting the ball when it rolled within
range. Is this how the game should be played, with no skill involved?
They usually beat me, but I feel that they were cheating. Some people
claim that they can successfully play games involving punching the
opponent, but they punch quickly and continuously in hope of success.
To
me, a game should be played with skill, not luck.
If you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!!
-----Original Message----- From: Jack Falejjczyk
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 9:07 PM
To: blind-gamers@groups.io
Subject: [blind-gamers] Gaming without Aiming, panel discussion from our
old pal Liam!
Hi folks. Last weekend, Liam was at an Illinois gaming convention
called Gamer Grace. Saturday, his panel, Gaming without Aiming,
discusses gaming with a visual impairment. The panel is available at
http://youtu.be/ZYt1GeiiXeY?a
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