No you wouldn't, just add stuff to the library that clear the crashes and make the whole library better over time. The stuff from bgt could be a sbase then build on that base. Sounds like a long-term project for a team of programmers totaling more than one. Best not put a team like that together until all candidates have done a few fishing trips together to figure out who is and is not compatible enough to work together though.

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018, Damien Garwood wrote:

Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 08:34:39
From: Damien Garwood <>
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] accessible game engine

Even if that were the case, it would still have its audio limitations, HTTPS 
crashes and UDP-only networking. So we would still end up having to ransack the 
internet just to find something decent. But yeah. I could certainly use the 
pathfinder, calendar, timer, tone synth, input-related functions etc as a 
library. That would be neat indeed. I mean, programmers often stress the 
brilliance of code reuse, right?

From: Rynhardt Kruger
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] accessible game engine

The BGT argument is one I have scene a few times on this list now. It seams 
what we need then is all the functions of BGT wrapped up in a nice platform 
independent library. It could be written in something like portable C, with all 
the platform dependent stuff in platform specific modules, and bindings for 
different languages generated with Swig or something. Swig is quite good at 
generating bindings for many programming languages.

Note: I'm not volunteering to write it, just want to get the debate going.


On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 5:11 PM, Damien Garwood <> 

 BGT might come with many conveniences. But it also lacks many others. It also 
isn?t indicative of real world programming. Once you realise BGT?s limitations 
and want to move away from it, it?s much harder to do so because you end up 
relying on it. Especially if you?re a programming newbie and don?t have a clue 
how to write audio engines, let alone audio engines that can play multiple file 
types, whether packed or on disk, whether encrypted or open. Not to mention 
keyboard, mouse, joystick support, screenreader and SAPI support, timers, 
pathfinders, combination generators and calendars. The way I see it, scripting 
with something like BGT is like having an overprotective clingy parent that 
just won?t let go, whereas programming something like C++ or Python wants you 
to bend down and kiss its furry rosy smelling derriere before you can get it to 
 Talking from experience here.

 From: Josh Kennedy
 Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 2:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] accessible game engine

 You could use BGT blind game maker toolkit, from BlastBay studios. It's free.


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