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Today's topics: * New Release: The Cast system V1.1 - 2 messages, 2 authors http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/f358f6efc1cd5723 * PLEASE SHIFT TO FORUM - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/458dc23125815b75 * reason for the poor infrastructure in INDIA - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/f67286e326fa1c64 ============================================================================== TOPIC: New Release: The Cast system V1.1 http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/f358f6efc1cd5723 ============================================================================== == 1 of 2 == Date: Sun, Feb 26 2006 5:08 pm From: satya Yes I too believe we must get rid of this Caste system . Yes its too simple to state that... but why would ppl do that? May be the caste system was relevant a thousand years ago when a particular group of ppl settled for a particular kind of work which gave that a particular status in the society. This Status is the exact reason for why ppl will not leave the caste system. Thats the exact reason why caste is so important to the ppl of our country even in recent times. even thought nothing today is similar to a day thousand yrs ago. Everything else evolved but this caste system. Anything which doesnt evolve will become inconsistant and problematic to the system and it will slow down the whole system. I believe this castesystem has had its time and it has been dragged by the ppl for too long. When I think of this I find a analogy to this issue of the social world in the computing world... This is just like when you find out that one of the important files to run you System is not compatible with the recent version of the OS. You do not try to delete the file(which will lead to SYSTEM CRASH) .. instead you try to find the most recent and compatible version to run your system smoothly. If you really want ppl to forget Caste System. We will have to think of a different kind of social status which will make ppl forget the older caste system. So we just need to find the next and most recent version of this Caste system and upload it in to the system so that ppl will start using it. All we need for that are some good thinkers with some good social logic . And and i believe BHUMI is the company which will build that version. So ppl if any one understood what I said ... plz come up with some ALTERNATIVES TO THE CASTESYSTEM INSTEAD OF TRYING TO ABOLISH IT. and if you go on shouting "abolish caste system" no ones gonna listen to you... Jai Hind On 24/02/06, Dr. N.S. REDDY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear Shaswat Pandey, > > Your mail is very nice and I understand that you have in-depth knowledge > in this field.As per you, At entry point every one is Sudra. > > But here, by birth we are getting our Caste with us. We are having caste > system in such a way, they devided into Upper, backward and Lower castes > based on Birth. > > I strongly believe, we need to get rid of the Caste system for the > development. > > So I started it with myself. > > In my name " Reddy" indicates Caste, now I removed this "Reddy" from my > son. I faced lot of criticism from my elders, friends and relatives. > > Let us hope for the best... > > With regards > nsreddy.... > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/24/06, shashwat pandey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Sir, > > > > The reason why you don't understand what is wrong is because we all have > > been subjected to a very deep rooted conspiracy against Hinduism, Sir we > > decide mainly based on our judgment which is influenced by our > > surrounding's, which is being polluted for a specific cause, we are forced > > to move away against our tradition we are made to laugh on our very own > > customs and we make a joke of them, people today (Young one) are made to > > understand that chanting skolks with hand movement is a funny thing, and we > > agree to this blindly, here what we fail to understand is this has a > > meaning, which is related to purity of thought's when we chant sholks with > > movement of body the force which is exerted by chanting them associated with > > body movement helps in keeping your body fit and mind focused, it is not > > easy to simultaneously do two things, our brain is not trained to handle two > > things at the same time, this act of chanting sholks with body movements > > helps our brain to handle simultaneous things together. > > > > Sir today cast has been associated by the virtue of birth this has been > > done by people in power in order to create difference, just imagine what > > will happen when there is no discrimination based on birth, this has been > > inserted into our minds by rulers and politicians, this is against Hinduism > > they have modified the concept of cast system for their own benefit, if you > > read Roopali's mail you will come to know this diversion has not been > > started today but is in practice since the time of her great-grand father, > > and this deviation has been opposed by likes of Swami Dayanand Sarswati, > > Raja Rammohen Roy, Swami Vivekanand and other's, but their act's have been > > put into dark deliberately by people in power today, so that they can keep > > on propagating their message of hate, whereas when their activities are > > highlighted by organization like RSS, VHP and individuals like swami Ramdev > > etc, they are labeled as propagating violence, sir you might remember the > > controversy that surrounded swami Ramdev, some times back, it is this that > > we have to unmask > > > > Sir my request to you and to all members who are reading this mail is to > > understand and propagate the actual meaning of Hinduism, those who try to > > divide people on the basis of cast we must answer them by telling them the > > truth that cast is not based on the virtue of birth but by virtue of Karma. > > Once we are able to make people understand this simple fact we will see a > > prosperous and advancing India without any violence and any sort of hate > > what so ever. > > > > *Question:- Why cast system is so important? Why should we practice it > > at all?* > > > > Answer:- Sir have a look at any organization today, we have a CEO, we > > have many director's then leads then engineers then support staff, Sir do > > you want to oppose this system? this is a very convenient way to ensure > > smooth operation of the organization, why not apply this same concept on > > society? there are people who can do one particular job better then anyone > > else and that is why they are assign that job, hence the entire company > > (society) befits, here again Sir an engineer can surly rise to become CEO of > > the company, by his hard work and innovative thinking, no-one is a born CEO, > > this is what is essence of cast system. As entry point for any person is > > engineer similarly entry point for any person is Shudra, sir kindly point > > out in case you have a better supplement for this system. > > > > One more point to make clear to people is that today politicians are > > trying and will be trying to propagate hate in various form it can be based > > on religion, cast, sex or they may even invent a new mode they may even try > > to divide people based on what language they speak, they may even try to > > divide people based on which location they live in. We must make people > > aware of these actual traitor's of our motherland. > > > > Sir help in propagating the beauty of our land and inform people about > > rich and colorful culture that we have this will be your biggest service to > > your motherland. > > > > Jai Hind, Jai Bhart. > > > > Shashwat Pandey > > > > > > > > *sudarshan baurai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > > > Shashwat, > > > > I really don't find anything on the linked page of DALIT VOICE which is > > away from truth. Infact everything there seems to be correct compilation. > > Its true that only the bad part is high lighted but it should not be when > > this is actually being practiced on the ground. > > > > Actually, one can feel the pain when one is born in a family whom most > > people would ditch by saying lower, even the fool but born in Brahmin can > > speak and insult one very normal person. And this is very much in our caste > > system. This is also a way to show the anger. A person like you should > > rather come ahead and do something to eradicate such bad tradition. Perhaps > > if were born as chamar would have certainely done that. And now you must be > > feeling a angry on me. > > > > In one way if anybody is bringing the weaknesses of Hinduism in light in > > such a fashion than thats actually good for this religion, as perhaps people > > will try to think on this. > > > > Please do some ground work do something to remove castiesm, embrace the > > lower caste today, stop writing pandey an open show of your brahminism, > > don't accept dowry and give dowry, don't descriminate between a female child > > and a male child. Avoid the protion from those religips books where there is > > a mention of castiesm and I think this is what is the objective of bringing > > all about DALIT VOICE. But you want to fight by saying everything is good in > > your religion than you can keep discussing as nothing can come out of this > > false boldness. > > > > Sudarshan > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > Shashwat Pandey > > > > Lets change india.... join hands to change the face of india by changing > > the people who represent it... > > > > Join --> http://www.bharatudaymission.org > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Mail > > Use > > Photomail<http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/pmall2/*http://photomail.mail.yahoo.com>to > > share photos without annoying attachments. > > > > > > > -- > Dr. N. Subba Reddy > POSTECH, Pohang, KOREA > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Phone: 82-54-279-5215 > Join us and be a part of the next Indian Revloution led by youth! > www.bharatudaymission.org > > > -- "|| bRaHmAiVa sAtYaM ||" == 2 of 2 == Date: Sun, Feb 26 2006 5:47 pm From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" Hi to all the patriots there, This is my first mail to the discussion. I agree to a large extent with Satya. I would like to give another explanation in this regard. When we say " abolish caste system ", we are creating resentment in the minds of the people who have lived their whole lives in this caste system. Its a part of their life script. They are not bad or foolish people , but they have never imagined life without this caste system which has been handed down to them through the generations. For example, before the revolutions in Europe and America, ideas like fraternity and freedom were not even thinkable and these are the same ideas which look like common sense to us. Another point which I have thought, in all these revolutions the there is a common thing, they all talked of new positive idea like fraternity and freedom, they most of the time didn't said "abolish old system", they talked of new ideas which were like fresh air to the people. I think even though our goal is to abolish casteism, we should refrain from making negative statements like "abolish caste system". Can we think of some positive words to take it place. We can. I think we should apply this philosophy in all our writings, talkings, meetings. I think apart from quoting a source or survey, we should refrain from saying negative things about India. Even when we are saying that we have to remove corruption, we are still reinforcing this mindset in our and our brothers mind. Lets start making positive comments which is good in India , which was good in India , and the good we are going to create in future. Every statement should reflect our goal. There is enough negativity around us, I think we should not add to it. Even if requires to change the pamphlets which we have created , we should change them. I am really sorry this thing I didn't posted when it was asked about the design of banner and all. "We will never complain" "We will always find solutions" Although I have high regards for Infosys chairman Shri Narayanmurthi, but we have to see what happened after his outburst against politicians. Did they changed. No they replied with even greater force. Even called driving a company is very easy as compared to politics. Lastly, I would like to say when I look with in me, I don't find myself to be a persom eligilble enough to make these statements. Its take much greater courage to change oneself then making big talks like these. Thats what we all need. JAI HIND ============================================================================== TOPIC: PLEASE SHIFT TO FORUM http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/458dc23125815b75 ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Sun, Feb 26 2006 7:31 am From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" A LOT OF HARD WORK HAS GONE IN TO MAKE AN PERFECT DISSCUSSION OUTLET,SO I URGE BM-MEMBERS TO SHIFT TO FORUM http://www.bharatudaymission.org/forum/--- log in here amit chatterjee ============================================================================== TOPIC: reason for the poor infrastructure in INDIA http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/f67286e326fa1c64 ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Sun, Feb 26 2006 9:01 pm From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] being in India many of us have changed the word 'comfort' to 'compromise' in all our dictionaries!! but what is the cause of all these? is it the lack of fund or initiatives? i say no!! all is being done but the enforcing agencies fail. India has one of the largest written laws in the world but there is no strong enforcing agency to implement them. in this case ie. of the por infracture in ind ia, the public works depart ment is responsible for the conceiving infracture ideas and implempenting them, either by its own means or with the helpmof private contractors. in the case of the contractors, the pwd or the concerned government authority issues tenders and in theory the contract goes to the most competitive bidder. in reality the contractors do not play it fair, they fix the play and the government ends up giving the contract in a less competitve price an usully this less competive price has difference in crores!!!!! then comes the quality testing agency of the Indian govrnment which in theory is to assure that the standards and the quality promised at the time of the contract's issue is met, but that dosent happen!! the officials (excepting a few good men/women) are fatlly bribed and are prevented from doing their duty of reporting the short commings of the contractors. so the result is a collatral damage!! it also affects in other ways as: * avoiding a budding contractor who in prudent from acquring contracts * government in pover favoring a particular cast in acquring contracts * in the congestionn that emergews out of the poor infrastructure. so friends i can write on but i think it will not help unless we take a decisive stand. give me ideas, please long live the revolution guruprasad ============================================================================== You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BM_discussion" group. 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