The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 701 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Aftermarket passenger seat and SRS Re: <E36>Aftermarket passenger seat and SRS? Re: '99 M3 OEM Alarm Going Off Re: e34 Climate Control Problem car's black box admissible in court Re: car's black box admissible in court Re: car's black box admissible in court <E30> ABS relay Re: <E30> ABS relay E39 530i Engine Knock? Re: E39 530i Engine Knock? Re: E39 530i Engine Knock?
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:03:29 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: Aftermarket passenger seat and SRS Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Marc - As I'm about to replace the stock seats in my 99 M Coupe with racing shells (+rollcage/harnesses and have looked into this. Apparently, an occupancy sensor pad is incorporated into the passenger seat's cushion. The pad is a foil contact sensor that is open when the seat is not occupied. When the seat cushion is pressed by the weight of a passenger, the sensor circuit produces a resistance that varies with the weight and/or movement. In the event of an accident, the airbag will be deployed at a rate based on the resistance. Some folks have fooled the SRS system to think the passenger pressure mat is there by installing a circuit that, as best as I can determine, involves two resistors and a diode. Neil Simon 99 M Coupe DC tags MDORPHN ______________________________ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 16:40:06 -0500 From: "Marc Plante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: <E36>Aftermarket passenger seat and SRS? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I finally put the passenger Recaro SRD into my 97 M3/4, and came across an additional wire to be connected under the passenger seat (Beyond the two that go over to the seatbelt latch and tensioner). the cord is attached to a black box about the size of a matchbox. I'm assuming that it is a sensor for the front seat that is attached to the Airbag, and that I'm going to see an SRS light as soon as I fire up the ignition. Anyone BTDT that can tell me what measures I need to take to accomodate the seat in the car? Am I sacrificing passenger Airbag functionality since the sensor is missing? Marc Plante E36 M3/4, 65k Vienna, VA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:06:53 -0500 From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: <E36>Aftermarket passenger seat and SRS? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 6/20/05 12:20 AM, "Marc Plante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I finally put the passenger Recaro SRD into my 97 M3/4, and came across an > additional wire to be connected under the passenger seat (Beyond the two that > go over to the seatbelt latch and tensioner). The cord is attached to a black > box about the size of a matchbox. > > I'm assuming that it is a sensor for the front seat that is attached to the > Airbag, and that I'm going to see an SRS light as soon as I fire up the > ignition. > > Anyone BTDT that can tell me what measures I need to take to accomodate the > seat in the car? Am I sacrificing passenger Airbag functionality since the > sensor is missing? The matchbox device connects to the passenger occupancy detector mat. The weight of a passenger tells the SRS controller that there's a rider on board. You can either do what Jim Powell did, see: http://www.apexcone.com/JimPowellHomepage/Recaros/Recaros.html or you can do what I did, which is to install a stock occupancy detector mat (p/n 65778367600) under the seat cushion of your Recaro in order to keep the same airbag logic. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 77 MGB - Original owner, need to sell 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:26:29 -0500 From: Dennis Wynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: '99 M3 OEM Alarm Going Off Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> WIth my E46 and E39 alarms you can disable the internal motion sensor and the tilt sensor just by pressing the arm button a 2nd time (once to arm, then a second to disable these). That should leaves just the hood, trunk, and doors armed. Might it work the same way on your alarm? If so, then try setting it this way and see if the false alarms go away. Dennis 01 M5 silver/black (sold?) At 04:07 AM 06/19/2005 -0400, you wrote: >My '99 M3's alarm has been going off once or twice a night lately. It's >never happened before until the other night. Is there some way to limit >the sensitivity? Could a cat jumping on the hood make it go off? I'm sure >cats have been on the car before w/o it going off. Is there another reason >like a loose connection, battery drain, etc., that could make it go off? >Just looking at the unit that plugs into the back of the glove box I don't >see any way to adjust the sensitivity. Anybody BTDT? > >TIA > >Evan > > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:15:06 -0400 From: John Barfuss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED], bmw-digest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: e34 Climate Control Problem Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Turns out my 540i had two issues: 1. Auxiliary fan is seized (hadn't used the AC much so I didn't notice it until I found blown 30a fuse). 2. Heater control valve isn't working properly. Time to deal with the aftermarket warranty folks again. But hey, as long as I can leave the car at the dealership for a few days, it's taken care of. They're tenacious with their money, and always send an adjuster, but every time they honored the coverage. But the 91 Grand Wagoneer needed some attention. Got a new muffler and tailpipe on Friday. I replaced the leaking radiator on Saturday morning with a 4-core for $200 delivered overnight from www.radiators.com. Straight-forward swap (uh, other than the pinhole in the bend of the metal transmission cooler line from the stress of removing the old hose). Taking my son to McDonald's for lunch the resulting white smoke from ATF on exhaust manifold created quite a stir in my suburban neighborhood ;-). A little longer cooler hose and three clamps fixed that. Now it only drips oil from the rear mail seal. What what Jeep doesn't? That's why I carry a cardboard sheet in the back for fancy driveways... Goes in tomorrow for R-134a conversion. Thanks for all the posts, and input. John - driving the Wagoneer for a few days; what a cushy beast! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:33:29 -0500 From: Clarence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <[email protected]> Subject: car's black box admissible in court Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Got this off another listserv and thought some of you may be interested. This kind of driving, particularly given the drivers' ages at the time of the accident, does not belong on public roads. I am so very thankful for DE schools for both what is taught, the safety of the environment, and the opportunity to speed legally. Clarence West Bend, WI ********************************* Car's Black Box Evidence Ruled Admissible by Andrew Harris copyright 2005 The New York Law Journal 01-13-2005 Evidence gleaned from a car's "black box" -- a computer module that, among other things, records a vehicle's speed in the last five seconds before airbags deploy in a collision -- will be admissible in the New York trial of two men charged with second-degree murder. The defendants, Kyle Soukup and Blake Slade, were involved in a fatal three-car accident while in a race on a Nassau County, N.Y., highway on a night in June 2002, authorities say. The ruling in People v. Slade, No. 0666-2003, by acting Nassau County Supreme Court Justice Alan M. Honorof followed a hearing testing the science behind the evidence. The decision following the hearing is one of the first of its kind in New York state. "It's a powerful piece of evidence," said Assistant District Attorney Michael Walsh, the lead prosecutor on the case. Soukup's lawyer, Jack Litman of Litman, Asche & Gioiella could not be reached for comment. His associate, Todd Terry, said that the firm was not making public statements about the case. Ronald Bekoff of Garden City, N.Y.'s Hession, Bekoff & Cooper, who represents Slade, could not be reached for comment. According to the prosecutor, Soukup, now 19, and Slade, now 22, were friends racing in separate cars on Route 106 through Old Brookville, N.Y., in northeastern Nassau County. As they approached the Muttontown Road intersection, Soukup, driving a 2002 Chevrolet Corvette at nearly 130 miles per hour, slammed into a 1993 Jeep Cherokee, tearing that vehicle in half. A split second later, Slade, driving a 2002 Mercedes, rammed into the front end of the Jeep, knocking it 300 yards up the road. "You see headlights in the distance," Walsh said of the Jeep driver's decision to cross the road. "You can't image how quick they'll be on you." One of the Cherokee's occupants, Sophia Bretous, was dead at the scene. Her companion, Jean Desir, died later that night at the Nassau University Medical Center. According to Honorof's ruling, at least three other drivers say they witnessed the contest and the ensuing collision. Their testimony is important too, Walsh said, asserting that he could have built a case from those accounts and the testimony of accident reconstruction experts. However, the black box, formally called a sensing diagnostic module, enables the prosecution to establish the Corvette's speed, engine revolutions, throttle position and use of the brakes for the critical moments before the impact. Police officers removed the sensing module from Soukup's wrecked car after it was in their possession but before they had a search warrant. They later applied for and obtained a warrant based upon witnesses' affidavits and information they had obtained before entering the vehicle. 'FRYE' HEARING Soukup's lawyer, Litman, moved to suppress the black box and its data as the products of an unlawful search and seizure. He also challenged the scientific reliability of the data. The court held a so-called Frye hearing, derived from the 1923 ruling in Frye v. U.S., 293 F. 1013, by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. Frye provides for a "general acceptance test" of expert testimony, Honorof noted. It dictates that scientific evidence is admissible only if the underlying methodology or scientific principle is sufficiently established to have gained general acceptance in its field. Testifying for prosecutors at the hearing was William Russell "Rusty" Haight, director of the Collision Safety Institute in San Diego. He has more than 23 years of experience in the science of accident reconstruction, the judge said. Haight told the court he has performed more than 100 crash tests with different cars made by the same manufacturer of Soukup's Corvette. Comparing the data recorded by the black boxes in those tests with objective external instrumentation, Haight found sensing diagnostic modules "extremely reliable," the judge said. Honorof ruled that the black box data were admissible, even though the police had obtained it before applying for a search warrant. Turning back Litman's argument that his client had a reasonable expectation of privacy in the car and its contents, the judge ruled that Soukup's operation of the vehicle on a public highway knowingly exposed his behavior to the public. Observed by at least three witnesses, his velocity was not a private matter, the judge said. He noted that the police searched not only the engine compartment containing the black box, but also the car's passenger compartment, in which Soukup may have had a reasonable privacy expectation. Nevertheless, the judge found that because the detectives obtained a warrant based not upon information obtained from the car, but from eyewitnesses and observations at the crash scene, the search was covered by the "independent source rule." That rule preserves the admissibility of otherwise tainted proof if it was "obtained independently from lawful activities untainted by the initial illegality," the judge wrote. Walsh said he expects the case to go to trial in March. There can be no appeal of the ruling unless the defendants are convicted. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:02:16 -0500 From: Christian Els <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: BMW Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: car's black box admissible in court Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On 6/20/05, Clarence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: <snip> > Car's Black Box Evidence Ruled Admissible Hmm, sounds like a UUC opportunity to construct and sell a device that uses an inertia sensor to dump full battery amperage across the CMOS / EPROM / whatever in the incident of a hard impact, or upon hitting a panic button. I just wonder how long it would be before installing such mods become subject to criminal tampering charges... Cheers, Christian Els Columbia, MO ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:48:53 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Clarence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "UUC Digest" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: car's black box admissible in court Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A decent crash reconstructionist can establish the speeds without a black box. Black box data can be helpful, but should not be relied on as the only basis for speed. Gary Derian > Got this off another listserv and thought some of you may be interested. > > This kind of driving, particularly given the drivers' ages at the time of > the accident, does not belong on public roads. I am so very thankful for > DE schools for both what is taught, the safety of the environment, and the > opportunity to speed legally. > > Clarence > West Bend, WI > ********************************* > > > Car's Black Box Evidence Ruled Admissible > > by Andrew Harris > > copyright 2005 The New York Law Journal > > 01-13-2005 > > > Evidence gleaned from a car's "black box" -- a computer module that, > among other things, records a vehicle's speed in the last five seconds > before airbags deploy in a collision -- will be admissible in the New > York trial of two men charged with second-degree murder. > > The defendants, Kyle Soukup and Blake Slade, were involved in a fatal > three-car accident while in a race on a Nassau County, N.Y., highway on > a night in June 2002, authorities say. > > The ruling in People v. Slade, No. 0666-2003, by acting Nassau County > Supreme Court Justice Alan M. Honorof followed a hearing testing the > science behind the evidence. The decision following the hearing is one > of the first of its kind in New York state. > > "It's a powerful piece of evidence," said Assistant District Attorney > Michael Walsh, the lead prosecutor on the case. > > Soukup's lawyer, Jack Litman of Litman, Asche & Gioiella could not be > reached for comment. His associate, Todd Terry, said that the firm was > not making public statements about the case. > > Ronald Bekoff of Garden City, N.Y.'s Hession, Bekoff & Cooper, who > represents Slade, could not be reached for comment. > > According to the prosecutor, Soukup, now 19, and Slade, now 22, were > friends racing in separate cars on Route 106 through Old Brookville, > N.Y., in northeastern Nassau County. > > As they approached the Muttontown Road intersection, Soukup, driving a > 2002 Chevrolet Corvette at nearly 130 miles per hour, slammed into a > 1993 Jeep Cherokee, tearing that vehicle in half. > > A split second later, Slade, driving a 2002 Mercedes, rammed into the > front end of the Jeep, knocking it 300 yards up the road. > > "You see headlights in the distance," Walsh said of the Jeep driver's > decision to cross the road. "You can't image how quick they'll be on > you." > > One of the Cherokee's occupants, Sophia Bretous, was dead at the scene. > Her companion, Jean Desir, died later that night at the Nassau > University Medical Center. > > According to Honorof's ruling, at least three other drivers say they > witnessed the contest and the ensuing collision. > > Their testimony is important too, Walsh said, asserting that he could > have built a case from those accounts and the testimony of accident > reconstruction experts. > > However, the black box, formally called a sensing diagnostic module, > enables the prosecution to establish the Corvette's speed, engine > revolutions, throttle position and use of the brakes for the critical > moments before the impact. > > Police officers removed the sensing module from Soukup's wrecked car > after it was in their possession but before they had a search warrant. > They later applied for and obtained a warrant based upon witnesses' > affidavits and information they had obtained before entering the > vehicle. > > 'FRYE' HEARING > > Soukup's lawyer, Litman, moved to suppress the black box and its data as > the products of an unlawful search and seizure. > > He also challenged the scientific reliability of the data. > > The court held a so-called Frye hearing, derived from the 1923 ruling in > Frye v. U.S., 293 F. 1013, by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District > of Columbia Circuit. > > Frye provides for a "general acceptance test" of expert testimony, > Honorof noted. It dictates that scientific evidence is admissible only > if the underlying methodology or scientific principle is sufficiently > established to have gained general acceptance in its field. > > Testifying for prosecutors at the hearing was William Russell "Rusty" > Haight, director of the Collision Safety Institute in San Diego. He has > more than 23 years of experience in the science of accident > reconstruction, the judge said. > > Haight told the court he has performed more than 100 crash tests with > different cars made by the same manufacturer of Soukup's Corvette. > Comparing the data recorded by the black boxes in those tests with > objective external instrumentation, Haight found sensing diagnostic > modules "extremely reliable," the judge said. > > Honorof ruled that the black box data were admissible, even though the > police had obtained it before applying for a search warrant. > > Turning back Litman's argument that his client had a reasonable > expectation of privacy in the car and its contents, the judge ruled that > Soukup's operation of the vehicle on a public highway knowingly exposed > his behavior to the public. Observed by at least three witnesses, his > velocity was not a private matter, the judge said. > > He noted that the police searched not only the engine compartment > containing the black box, but also the car's passenger compartment, in > which Soukup may have had a reasonable privacy expectation. > > Nevertheless, the judge found that because the detectives obtained a > warrant based not upon information obtained from the car, but from > eyewitnesses and observations at the crash scene, the search was covered > by the "independent source rule." > > That rule preserves the admissibility of otherwise tainted proof if it > was "obtained independently from lawful activities untainted by the > initial illegality," the judge wrote. > > Walsh said he expects the case to go to trial in March. There can be no > appeal of the ruling unless the defendants are convicted. > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:43:31 -0500 From: Clarence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <[email protected]> Subject: <E30> ABS relay Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Car is an '87 325iS. Could someone tell me where to find the ABS relay (if there is one) so that I can disable the system? I'm having an issue w/some track pads and the car's ABS. Will be attending a DE this Friday and it may be safer to manually disable the ABS. TIA Clarence West Bend, WI ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:11:41 -0400 (EDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Clarence) Cc: [email protected] (UUC Digest) Subject: Re: <E30> ABS relay Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >From Clarence > >Car is an '87 325iS. > >Could someone tell me where to find the ABS relay (if there is one) so >that I can disable the system? I'm having an issue w/some track pads >and the car's ABS. Will be attending a DE this Friday and it may be >safer to manually disable the ABS. > Unless I am mistaken, remove the panel under the steering wheel (above the driver's knees). There should be a black or silver relay very near a silver box. The box is the ABS brain and the relay is the one you are after.... I think. -- Joe -- Joseph M. Krzeszewski Network Operations [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack of All Trades, Master of None... Yet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:33:43 +0000 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Spencer Fong) To: [email protected] Subject: E39 530i Engine Knock? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My friend has a sound in his car and wanted me to ask the list for any tips. It is a 2002 530i with 40k miles. He is getting a knocking sound under light load. Most noticeable from 25mph. Auto trans in normal mode. More evident on hotter days. Car was recently in the dealership who couldn't help except to say that no error codes were present. I had a similar noise in my VW Corrado which turned out to be faulty lower rod bearings. The bearings would beat themselves to death and the increased clearances caused the sound. May not be applicable in this case, but a search of the net mentioned a vanos chain tensioner problem on an earlier 5 series causing a similar sound (?) Thanks for any leads. -spencer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:46:05 -0400 From: Ben Keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: E39 530i Engine Knock? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "knock" usually refers to detonation, which in theory would be caught by the knock sensors & registered in the DME in some fashion. however, a mechanical knock like you're recalling from your Corrado days wouldn't necessarily get picked up. you could probably rule out detonation related knock by running the car w/a tank full of high octane race fuel (unleaded of course, tho I don't know if there's still leaded race fuel around anyway) and be able to then point to it being something mechanical to the motor. I suspect that the 25mph trans in auto mode falls into a particular rpm/gear range which would be repeatable if you were to lock the trans into the steptronic mode and try different gears. tho road/wind noise might drown it out at other speeds & gears. the load which is put on the engine at a particular speed is also a factor in whether the engine would detonate or the rods knock I believe. Ben On 6/20/05, Spencer Fong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My friend has a sound in his car and wanted me to ask the list for any tips. > It is a 2002 530i with 40k miles. He is getting a knocking sound under light > load. Most noticeable from 25mph. Auto trans in normal mode. More evident > on hotter days. Car was recently in the dealership who couldn't help except > to say that no error codes were present. > > I had a similar noise in my VW Corrado which turned out to be faulty lower > rod bearings. The bearings would beat themselves to death and the increased > clearances caused the sound. > > May not be applicable in this case, but a search of the net mentioned a vanos > chain tensioner problem on an earlier 5 series causing a similar sound (?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:48:45 -0500 From: Jamie Howton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Spencer Fong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: E39 530i Engine Knock? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spencer, The vanos noise sounds like marbles in a can being rolled around, I am not sure if that is what your friend is hearing. Could he duplicate the noise for the dealership? Have him take the mechanic or SA for a ride and demonstrate it for them. If he has any warranty left he should take it back to the dealer or try another dealer. There are lots of things that could be wrong that don't record an error code (actually way more than do). It's kind of hard to diagnose a noise when you are standing next to the car and trying to diagnose it over the internet is even harder. Some ideas: Try to get a recording of the car both when it is making the noise and when it isn't. It might be easier for us to take a guess if we knew what it sounds like. Put the car up on jackstands or a lift and use a stethoscope with the end pulled off to try and determine what part of the car is making the noise. A vanos noise would be heard loudest at the top front of the engine (watch out for that fan). Have him pay attention to things like "does it make more noise when the oil level is low". I can tell when my M5 is getting low on oil because of the top end rattle that I hear when it's idling. I guess what I am trying to say is that we will need more information about the nature of the problem before we can really suggest anything useful. Regards -- Jamie Howton 2000 M5 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(12 messages) **********
