The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 662 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: (E36) broken rear sway bar mount Re: <e90> Looks E36 Window Slides Re: E36 Window Slides <E30> M3 Steering Racks <cross-posting> Re: <E30> M3 Steering Racks <cross-posting> E46 autoup window broken E39 Handling problem or not... Re: E39 Handling problem or not... Re: E39 Handling problem or not... BMW's Machine to Convert Loyalty to Disillusionment Re: Track pads
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 13:30:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: (E36) broken rear sway bar mount Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Mon, May 16, 2005 1:02 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > I think this is a known problem It is, with aftermarket sway bars. > and that someone will have a > reinforcement for sale that can be welded on to prevent failure of the > factory piece. Turner Motorsports. Cheers, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 1993 325is #44 JP both with Turner R swaybar mount and F subframe reinforcements ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 14:04:25 -0700 From: "Ziv Gillat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <e90> Looks Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks a lot. This is great !!! -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andre Yew Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] <e90> Looks If anyone's interested, here's the selling brochure for the E90 (it's basically the training manual for the sales people, but goes into a lot of interesting detail): http://clem.e46fanatics.com/BfestE90/BFestE90.pdf There's lots of interesting stuff in there, including the suspension (same rear 5-link one used in the Z4 as well as well as how the sport package variants are different), the aluminum, finned front brake calipers, and the array of aftermarket accessories, including strut braces, louder mufflers (!), and smoked lenses (!!). --Andre Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 17:00:27 -0700 From: Seth Kingsley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: E36 Window Slides Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have a '92 325i. A few months ago, a window slide on the driver's side broke and the regulator arms on both sides popped off as a result. The window was left hanging in its grooves. After removing the door panel, the window slides were easy to replace, but I found that after putting the regulator arm ball studs back into the slides, the arms would pull the studs out when the window was halfway up. When at the top or bottom, the ball studs would stay firmly in place in the window slides, but as soon as I raised the window halfway, they would forcibly pop themselves out. Has anyone else had this problem before? -- || Seth Kingsley || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 22:17:38 -0400 From: "KMS- Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E36 Window Slides Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You're either not securing the ball studs properly, or the regulator is dramatically bent. The ball studs require a good set of pliers to get them locked in. Did you use pliers, or your hands? Brett Anderson KMS > -----Original Message----- > I have a '92 325i. A few months ago, a window slide on the driver's side > broke and the regulator arms on both sides popped off as a > result. The window > was left hanging in its grooves. After removing the door panel, > the window > slides were easy to replace, but I found that after putting the > regulator arm > ball studs back into the slides, the arms would pull the studs > out when the > window was halfway up. When at the top or bottom, the ball studs > would stay > firmly in place in the window slides, but as soon as I raised the window > halfway, they would forcibly pop themselves out. Has anyone else had this > problem before? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:29:07 -0700 From: "Scott & Charlotte Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[email protected]>, "E30 Yahoo Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: <E30> M3 Steering Racks <cross-posting> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey group, I'm getting ready to put an E30 M3 steering rack in my '90 325i. I reviewed some e-mail posts I saved from a previous discussion (below), and then started shopping. All of the web sites I checked list only one part number for all years of M3. I know the steering columns are different on airbag cars. But the available on-line info suggests that the racks were all the same. The old post from Rich (below) sounds like it is talking about steering racks from a non-M3, non-325iX E30. (The M3 was not in production through '94.) Ed mentions different airbag and non-airbag M3 racks, which does not agree with the web sites I've shopped. So I'm kind of confused on the M3 rack issue. Before someone suggests a Zionsville E36 kit rack conversion, according to Bill Arnold (independent BMW service, San Rafael, CA), putting an E36 rack in an E30 with an airbag column is a Royal Payne Dias (Car Talk reference), and that he would never do it again. If it is difficult for Bill, it is beyond my capabilities and I refuse to do it. Thanks for any and all advice and help. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA > Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:13:28 -0400 > From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Re: e30 (M3) Power Steering rack, good prices? > >The only difference for air bag cars was that the rack had modifications >to it to prevent noise from being transmitted through the air bag >column. > >All rebuilt racks carry this modification and thus will work for both >air bag and non-airbag cars. > >Ed > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 01:27:11 -0400 > From: "Rich Dorffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: Re: e30 (M3) Power Steering rack, good prices? > >The ETK tells a little bit more to the story as follows: > >32 13 1 137 916 production from 11/86 to 3/92 >32 13 1 140 951 production from 11/86 to 2/94 >32 13 1 092 335 is the one for airbag cars and production from 11/86 > >Regards, > >Rich > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:50:21 -0400 > From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Re: e30 (M3) Power Steering rack, good prices? > >I don't know what information you have heard, but I have retrofitted air >bag and non-air bag E30 M3 racks into two 325i coupes. > >The early non airbag E30 uses a pair of aluminum forks with pegs >(integral with the u-joint) to provide turning ability without impaling >ability. Should you hit the front of the car hard, the forks slide over >one another, breaking the turning ability but not impaling the driver. > >The later cars with air bags used a telescoping tubes design column with >a large nut and a short u-joint. This is what telegraphed the road >noise and caused the redesign of the rack. > >The E36 rack uses a longer input shaft (the one from the steering >wheel). To modify the early design u-joint just required spacers on the >pegs of the paired forks to allow the column to fit the longer input >shaft of the E36 rack. This mod is shown on the Zionsville site. The >later design doesn't leave you enough room to shorten the column >easily, hence it is described as not worth the effort with the later >design air bag column. > >Ed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 23:02:00 -0700 From: Mark Gold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E30> M3 Steering Racks <cross-posting> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> With all the talk of changing steering racks to get fewer turns lock to lock has anyone tried a "Steering Quickener"? I saw this used on Rhys Millen's GTO drift car. http://www.howeracing.com/Steering/Index-Quickener-Quickener.htm It might be worth considering if it can be made to work on a BMW. Their Original model is available in 1.5:1 or 2:1 ratio and a Stealth model available in a 2:1 ratio. And hey, at $160 its not too pricey. On May 17, 2005, at 8:29 PM, Scott & Charlotte Miller wrote: > Hey group, I'm getting ready to put an E30 M3 steering rack in my '90 > 325i. I reviewed some e-mail posts I saved from a previous discussion > (below), and then started shopping. All of the web sites I checked > list only one part number for all years of M3. I know the steering > columns are different on airbag cars. But the available on-line info > suggests that the racks were all the same. > > The old post from Rich (below) sounds like it is talking about > steering racks from a non-M3, non-325iX E30. (The M3 was not in > production through '94.) Ed mentions different airbag and non-airbag > M3 racks, which does not agree with the web sites I've shopped. So > I'm kind of confused on the M3 rack issue. > > Before someone suggests a Zionsville E36 kit rack conversion, > according to Bill Arnold (independent BMW service, San Rafael, CA), > putting an E36 rack in an E30 with an airbag column is a Royal Payne > Dias (Car Talk reference), and that he would never do it again. If it > is difficult for Bill, it is beyond my capabilities and I refuse to do > it. > > Thanks for any and all advice and help. > > Scott Miller > GGC BMW CCA > >> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:13:28 -0400 >> From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: Re: e30 (M3) Power Steering rack, good prices? >> >> The only difference for air bag cars was that the rack had > modifications >> to it to prevent noise from being transmitted through the air bag >> column. >> >> All rebuilt racks carry this modification and thus will work for both >> air bag and non-airbag cars. >> >> Ed > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 01:27:11 -0400 >> From: "Rich Dorffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: RE: Re: e30 (M3) Power Steering rack, good prices? >> >> The ETK tells a little bit more to the story as follows: >> >> 32 13 1 137 916 production from 11/86 to 3/92 >> 32 13 1 140 951 production from 11/86 to 2/94 >> 32 13 1 092 335 is the one for airbag cars and production from 11/86 >> >> Regards, >> >> Rich >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:50:21 -0400 >> From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: Re: e30 (M3) Power Steering rack, good prices? >> >> I don't know what information you have heard, but I have retrofitted > air >> bag and non-air bag E30 M3 racks into two 325i coupes. >> >> The early non airbag E30 uses a pair of aluminum forks with pegs >> (integral with the u-joint) to provide turning ability without > impaling >> ability. Should you hit the front of the car hard, the forks slide > over >> one another, breaking the turning ability but not impaling the > driver. >> >> The later cars with air bags used a telescoping tubes design column > with >> a large nut and a short u-joint. This is what telegraphed the road >> noise and caused the redesign of the rack. >> >> The E36 rack uses a longer input shaft (the one from the steering >> wheel). To modify the early design u-joint just required spacers on > the >> pegs of the paired forks to allow the column to fit the longer input >> shaft of the E36 rack. This mod is shown on the Zionsville site. The >> later design doesn't leave you enough room to shorten the column >> easily, hence it is described as not worth the effort with the later >> design air bag column. >> >> Ed > > > > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > ___ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW > CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > Sincerely, Mark Gold Sacramento Chapter BMWCCA 916-852-6533 (home) 916-743-7153 (cell) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 08:31:20 -0400 From: "Mark Distelhorst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: E46 autoup window broken Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The autoup feature on the drivers side window of our 01 325xi stopped working. It goes autodown and all the other windows work both ways. Any ideas what to check first? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 08:28:47 -0500 From: "Ivan Demkovitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: E39 Handling problem or not... Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi! Here is a story: I have 540i with 147k miles. Recently (at 139k) replaced: Shocks/springs (H&R bilstein SP) front/rear sway bar bushings front/rear sway bar links all front control arms all tie rods all brake discs/pads rear ball joints Car was handling great and about couple month ago I started to notice "slip" at higher speeds. At about 100mph car would kind of slide when changing line. When I was doing alignment they noticed rear front suspension link bad. Ok. Now to the end of story :) I replaced those links installing toe adjustment bolts at the same position. Car felt great and rear is much stiffer now. This sunday I was adjusting tire pressure and did 39F and 35R (as on sticker) Car drives kind of funny now (I don't know pressure they set when aligned wheels). Yesterday I had couple of those high speed "sleeps" and it's not funny. Any ideas on what could be causing that? What pressure do I want to run in those 17" wheels? Is it necessary to realign car even I placed bolts at the same position? TIA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 09:34:36 -0400 From: "Della Barba, Joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: E39 Handling problem or not... Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Anytime I had lower pressure in my back tires than the front tires on my MR2 the handling was downright scary. All I had to do was look at the steering wheel to change lanes. I would strongly suggest that you set them all at the same thing - maybe 38 PSI - and work from there. You do NOT want greater slip angles on the rear tires for a street driven car. Joe Della Barba 323iT MR2 MK II -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ivan Demkovitch Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:29 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [UUC] E39 Handling problem or not... Hi! Here is a story: I have 540i with 147k miles. Recently (at 139k) replaced: Shocks/springs (H&R bilstein SP) front/rear sway bar bushings front/rear sway bar links all front control arms all tie rods all brake discs/pads rear ball joints Car was handling great and about couple month ago I started to notice "slip" at higher speeds. At about 100mph car would kind of slide when changing line. When I was doing alignment they noticed rear front suspension link bad. Ok. Now to the end of story :) I replaced those links installing toe adjustment bolts at the same position. Car felt great and rear is much stiffer now. This sunday I was adjusting tire pressure and did 39F and 35R (as on sticker) Car drives kind of funny now (I don't know pressure they set when aligned wheels). Yesterday I had couple of those high speed "sleeps" and it's not funny. Any ideas on what could be causing that? What pressure do I want to run in those 17" wheels? Is it necessary to realign car even I placed bolts at the same position? TIA Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 08:37:51 -0500 From: "Ivan Demkovitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected] Subject: Re: E39 Handling problem or not... Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sorry! Of course I meant 39R 35F as on door sticker :) I also think about rear wheel bearings because I hear that noise but can't tell if thats from my tires. >From: "Della Barba, Joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [UUC] E39 Handling problem or not... >Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 09:34:36 -0400 > >Anytime I had lower pressure in my back tires than the front tires on my >MR2 >the handling was downright scary. All I had to do was look at the steering >wheel to change lanes. I would strongly suggest that you set them all at >the >same thing - maybe 38 PSI - and work from there. You do NOT want greater >slip angles on the rear tires for a street driven car. > >Joe Della Barba >323iT >MR2 MK II > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ivan Demkovitch >Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:29 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [UUC] E39 Handling problem or not... > > >Hi! > >Here is a story: >I have 540i with 147k miles. > >Recently (at 139k) replaced: >Shocks/springs (H&R bilstein SP) >front/rear sway bar bushings >front/rear sway bar links >all front control arms >all tie rods >all brake discs/pads >rear ball joints > >Car was handling great and about couple month ago I started to notice >"slip" > >at higher speeds. >At about 100mph car would kind of slide when changing line. When I was >doing > >alignment they noticed rear front suspension link bad. > >Ok. Now to the end of story :) >I replaced those links installing toe adjustment bolts at the same >position. > >Car felt great and rear is much stiffer now. > >This sunday I was adjusting tire pressure and did 39F and 35R (as on >sticker) Car drives kind of funny now (I don't know pressure they set when >aligned wheels). Yesterday I had couple of those high speed "sleeps" and >it's not funny. > >Any ideas on what could be causing that? >What pressure do I want to run in those 17" wheels? >Is it necessary to realign car even I placed bolts at the same position? > >TIA > > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short >Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . >http://www.uucmotorwerks.com >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 09:11:00 -0500 From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: BMW's Machine to Convert Loyalty to Disillusionment Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Here's an interesting little article about user interface design I stumbled over that discusses the 7's iDrive: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20040315.html Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 77 MGB - Original owner, need to sell 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 16:53:08 -0400 From: Carey Probst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Track pads Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A couple thoughts here. 1. I was running Pagid stock brakes on a modified E30 325e 2. A non M E30 has tiny front and rear pads 3. Up until my previous school, instructors tended to let me get away with being slow but accurate because "your car is slow" 4. New instructor last school (same as this school by request) didn't blame the car but pushed me to drive at the car's potential. Keeping momentum and smoothness. 5. A non M E30 has really tiny front and rear pads 6. With new instructor I have gone from being regularly lapped to being passed and picked up about 20mph by the busstop. 7. Brake cooling is not the greatest on a 325e so the pads greatly overheated. Could smell them more than normal as speed increased and I had to brake harder. Pad size, cooling, speed and technique all affect pad wear. Tiny stock pads are not compatible with higher speed track work. I ordered a set of Carbotechs for the next school and will see how they last and wear. Was torn between them and the Hawks but the spring special including a set of rotors for not much more than the pads alone pushed me to them. Will know after next session but guess I've finally graduated from stock pads. Carey > >Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 16:37:35 -0400 >From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[email protected]> > > >In all of these events, I've never used a full set of pads on any car. > >In fact, with the 996, the current rotors are the ORIGINAL rotors (40k >miles), with dozens of track days (between NHIS, LRP, WGI, and a few other >tracks tossed in). I did go through the original fitment pads, and am >probably 3/4 of the way through the PFC-97s. On the 355, new PFCs will last >me through an entire driving season, easily. And the massive setup on the >Challenge car? Though I only got it recently, I haven't seen ANY wear on >the brakes. > >I consistently outbrake almost everyone else (hey, not to sound too >arrogant, believe me, I lose my braking advantage in lots of other places!), >but don't have nearly the wear on the brakes. In one illustrative event, >with completely equal 355s at LRP, running the same number of sessions, a >friend went through an entire set of pads and made measureable wear on the >rotors, while I barely wore enough of the pad out to notice any difference. > >So, am I just luckier? Any these cars just better ducted so that the pads >don't wear as much? Or does technique really matter that much? > >Thoughts? > >vty, > > > ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(12 messages) **********
