Hi everyone

Apparently when I replied to both of you, I should have simply hit
"reply" but instead hit "reply to author".  So I guess I replied
through the email and not directly to this thread.  Sorry about that.
Google groups is new to me! :)

Cindy

On Mar 13, 8:58 am, "Kitt Johnson" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Cindy,
>
> Welcome to the group and congratulations on the that "first espresso
> set-up."
>
> I haven't looked recently to see what sort of "manual" WLL is shipping in
> the box; I hope it is a CD or DVD instead of a link to our site..  If you
> have been browsing the internet, you have probably encountered grumbling
> about how terrible the user Manual is for most machines.
>
> When the Brewtus first came out, the early owners decided to write the
> manual they wished was shipped with the machine.  We literally took apart a
> couple of machines and drew schematics and photographed how all the parts
> fit ft together, then through in some operating advice.  It's actually
> pretty good. You will find references to it on the site.
>
> It's sufficiently detailed to be a PITA to print and ship with every
> machine, but WLL shipped a CD of it with the machines for a while.  It was
> written for the B-I and we did not "update" it for every new model.  It is
> still very good for all the "Vibe" models ... the machine was a sound design
> from day one. (Not perfect, but very sound within the parameters the
> manufacture self imposed.)  So it will get you through most "problems" that
> you encounter.  WLL has added updates to their copy of  it from time to
> time, but a new owner isn't in a very good position to tell the group, "Hey,
> here's a list of the latest changes."  sigh...
>
> Regarding the location of the PID ... it is in the boiler and the display
> includes an 18 degree off-set to show the lower temperature at group head.
> The off-set on the earlier, non-PID machines was much lower, but something
> in the design changed with the PID and so that is a place where the original
> manual is no longer up to date.  (Just FYI, a lot of user experiments have
> indicated that it isn't yet very practical to put the PID at the puck in the
> grouphead on a typical consumer machine ... the sensor gets fouled easily
> and consumer products need to be fairly robust.)  The main thing is on
> temperature is to learn to trust your tongue ... the numbers are just
> "relative" measures to keep track of how much of a change you are
> introducing when you make adjustments.  The general rule is: if the espresso
> is too bitter, lower the temperature.  If it is too sour, raise the
> temperature.
>
> Please do let us know what arrives in YOUR box.
>
> Wishing that the delivery people will be kind to you package,
>
> KittJ
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cindy Goddard" <[email protected]>
> > Hello everyone!
>
> > Just placed an order from WLL on Friday as well as a Baratza Vario
> > grinder.  I'm very excited and nervous since this is my first espresso
> > set-up.
> > Is the PID set to show the temperature at the group? I'm a little confused
> > on this issue.
>
> if there
>
> > is anything I should know that the manual may not mention, I would
> > love to hear it.

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