This might help :D

Rotary vs Vibe
Noise?
Why bother!  Start resolving your grinder's noise first.  Your option would be 
grinding at store, purchase ground coffee, place your grinder at the basement 
or go zassenhaus.  When you're ready, then go Rotary!  And don't even think 
about getting knocking tube. 

Budget?
Forget about Rotary!

Electricity?
Go Vibe.

Weight?
Don't even thing about Rotary.

Look?
Unless you like a naked espresso machine, then go rotary.

Crema?
Any of them

Taste?
Any of them

Just got to get Rotary?
Don't even ask an opinion.

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Regards,
Liys

----- Original message -----
> All GREAT INFO and thx everyone for taking time to answer my
> concerns.   It is a big help getting input from others that own these
> exact machines.
> 
> With that said, I flipped a coin and it landed on its side.....lol.   I
> am still torn on getting the entry level Brewtus IV or jump up $250
> and get the IV-R.
> 
> I do have RO water (for my saltwater fish tank hobby) so I can easily
> plumb unit simply by tee-ing off a short 15' away in the basement and
> run the line to my kitchen.   And I can simply tie the drain line into
> a large jug so I do not have to empty tray all the time (and easily
> hide the jug behind cabinet.   So it does look like I am leaning a bit
> to the IV-R.
> 
> I really wish Todd from WLL would chime in and give his valued input
> on the noise level of the two units.   Frankly, that is the main factor
> for me upgrading and the plumbed unit as a close second.   Noise REALLY
> bothers me....I know I am a pain in the butt:-).
> 
> Finally, I guess I am asking a really loaded question when I ask this
> group if they like the Expobar machines overall.   The Duetto II and
> the Vibiemme are both more costly and I do not think you get more for
> your money from either of those two machine.   The Vibiemme Domobar
> Double (double boiler unit that they carry) does look like a sweet
> machine, but not at $2,650.   It does have dual PID and looks very
> nice, but spending another $400-ish to get there is out of the
> question.   And quite frankly I have heard equal amounts of chatter
> from the forums about Duetto II and Brewtus, so all machines have
> their issues and will need some sort of repair down the line.   Let's
> face it, these espresso machines have a ton of different parts,
> pressure issues, water quality, care of use, etc, etc.
> 
> I really like WLL and they swear by the Expobar line of machines as
> one of their best at pulling shots out of all units they carry.   And
> this is the 4th iteration of the machine, which is pretty nice that
> they keep upgrading any deficiencies as they go.
> 
> Anyhow, a bit winded I know, and many thanks again.   Keep they
> comments, opinions and suggestions coming!!!!!!!!!
> 
> MANY THX...Tony
> 
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