Hi Jim, The water from the hot water tap(what little trickles that I'm getting) is Luke warm or closer to cool...too cool to even register on my thermometer. Steam Wand and Group Head is 90+
James On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 3:19:02 PM UTC-8 [email protected] wrote: > A thin, ragged cheer from the troops... > > Congratulations, welcome to the DIY ranks - tere's a certain glee in > (temporarily) frustrating the Dark Lords of Entropy with simple tools. > > I'll do some digging on your hot water tap flow after I dislodge the sleep > cat from my lap and start dinner. > > A useful place to start would be to measure the temperature of the water > from the hot water tap. This tap is fed directly from the steam boiler so > expect at least 96C or above. > > Cheers > Jim > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 17:31 James Williamson <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi Jim (and Ira), >> >> Ok, I believe we have success!!! Although the exercise of bringing the >> boiler up beyond 90 did not yield much of a flow from the hot water tap (so >> may be other issues), once I got everything off the brew head and cleaned >> up everything and poked the holes and used white vinegar and toothbrush to >> scrub everything...voila I'm getting a good flow out of the E61 screen. >> >> Now, I'm de-scaling the whole system in hopes that a system clean can't >> be bad. Anyway, if you have other ideas about getting the hot water tap >> juiced up, I'd love to get everything in working order. However, thank you >> so much for all your help so far, as its been so much help for me in trying >> to get this all back working again. I really can't thank you enough... >> >> Let me know if you have further thoughts about the hot water tap. Steam >> wand seems to work ok. >> >> Best, >> >> james >> >> On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 8:45 PM Jim Mitchell <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Here’s a link to a Home-Barista thread that has some useful pictures of >>> the E61 group head: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> https://www.home-barista.com/espresso-machines/e61-group-espresso-machine-detailed-interior-schematics-t397.html >>> >>> >>> >>> In my mind I divide the moving parts of an 61 into two functional >>> groups: >>> >>> >>> >>> Everything below the lever cam exists to relieve pressure or dump hot >>> water into the tray. >>> >>> >>> >>> Contra wise, everything above the lever cam regulates and delivers hot >>> water under pressure to the shower screen – focus up here. >>> >>> >>> >>> But before we dive into the E61, let’s spend a moment with the hot water >>> tap – with the Brewtus above 90C, the hot water tap should fill a cup >>> pretty quickly with a solid flow just from hydrostatic pressure – at some >>> point the pump will come on to maintain the steam boiler’s water level – >>> the flow should remain constant and not diminish with the pump on. Close >>> the hot water tap while the pump is running, it should run just long enough >>> to finish filling the steam boiler. >>> >>> >>> >>> The point of this is to show that the pump is performing well enough to >>> move water around, once you’ve seen it move water, you’re ready to >>> investigate the E61 group head. >>> >>> >>> >>> The “the fairly corroded stem that sits on a spring” that you pulled out >>> is most likely the ‘mushroom’ and should look like silver tube holding up >>> the “large nut” in this picture: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> These three parts are where you start solving your E61 flow issues – the >>> copper-colored fitting on the left is the ‘Gicleur’ – it sits at the bottom >>> of the top nut and its tiny orifice needs to be cleared with a thin, stiff >>> wire - removing it is optional, try clearing it *in situ* first. >>> >>> >>> >>> Next up is the top nut itself, clean and inspect it – if the screen >>> looks gunked up, gently clean it with white vinegar and an old toothbrush. >>> >>> >>> >>> Lastly, clean and descale the mushroom itself – pay attention to the 2 >>> or 4 water holes at the top, they also can clog, and can be cleared with a >>> fine, stiff wire. Also, pay attention to the gasket at the bottom, cleaning >>> and re-lubing it with food safe grease aids in pouring consistently good >>> shots. >>> >>> >>> >>> Once you’ve done all this – there’s a very good chance that you’ve >>> either solved, or at the least, now understand, your flow issue. >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: *James Williamson >>> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 11, 2020 7:23 PM >>> *To: *[email protected] >>> *Subject: *Re: No group head water flow >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Ira (and Jim), >>> >>> >>> >>> I think the suggestion to look at the E61 head is narrowing the >>> problem. Per Ira's suggestion I opened up the big nut on the top of the >>> head and >>> >>> pulling out the fairly corroded stem that sits on a spring inside the >>> head. Once I did that...I got some water trickling out of the head >>> screen...not much but >>> >>> first water..so we know water is getting there. I don't know what the >>> mushroom is so I don't know how to deal with that. I did take of the >>> screen from the head >>> >>> and brush the metal head under there...probably need to try a toothpick >>> or something to clean it out...and also de-scale the screen etc. >>> >>> >>> >>> I was able to start up the pump when relatively cold and did get drips >>> of water from the hot water tap...also steam wand provides water (more). >>> >>> >>> >>> Any further advice would be appreciated as it looks like we're getting >>> close. >>> >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> >>> >>> james >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 11:39 AM Ira <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hello James, >>> >>> Wednesday, November 11, 2020, 11:03:31 AM, you wrote: >>> >>> Thanks I do hear the loud sound so assume that’s the pump so I’ll try >>> investigating a clog >>> >>> >>> I would open the group, big nut on the top, and check the condition of >>> the mushroom. >>> >>> Also, if you open the hot water valve when the machine is cold and lift >>> the lever does water come out? 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