The Fool wrote:
>
>But what if the library was programmed that way from it's very beginning?
>
:-))))

So, you are applying your paranoia to the Uplift Universe?

- Hi! I am Alberto a Human ul-Chimp ul-Dolphin. What's your name?

- I don't give patronimics to wolflings.

> Such that no record of Sol would ever stay in the archive?  No
>exploration / mass starcharting would ever betray this poor yellow star? 
>For indeed it is beyond imagining that NO one could ever have not seen
>Sol in the sky through telescopes / etc. and not marked it down somehow. 
>How could it not?  But it did.
>
The neightbourhood of Sol is quite a wasteland of planets. So, maybe
it was forgotten. Also, we know that hyperspace is not stable, and
maybe the neighbourhood of Sol suffered more after the last
collapse.

>But who could perpetrate such a grand conspiracy down through the ages if
>not the Progenitors Themselves, who set everything in motion?  Who
>indeed.  They were there from the start, and they set the up the 'client'
>uplift model.  They set up the institutions and the _Library_.
>
>Now these progenitors are accordingly _Older_ than the universe (or was
>it the galaxy cluster, I forget).  
>
IIRC, they were older than the ships. Oh, I forgot too :-/

> How could that be without time-travel?
>
When there are stasis fields, these gimmicks can be easily done :-)

> These progenitors were from the future.  Another thing that is
>mystifying about these so called progenitors is their uncanny resemblance
>to humans.  They look verily like humans, only much older, many billions
>of years more evolved.
>
This might be a fluke of the way they were mummyfied. For
example, had they been found by Kanten, they might look like
Kanten.

>For indeed who else could the progenitors be?  The only race that
>uplifted itself through millions of years of uninterrupted Darwinian
>evolution.  For indeed no other race could get a chance with all these
>galactic aliens about everywhere disrupting the natural evolution of
>every living thing, such that none save those in some grand conspiracy
>would ever get the chance to self-uplift at all.  
>
>But it has happened!  And it is a grand conspiracy indeed, for how could
>it have happened otherwise, that the progenitors be but humans billions
>of years in advance, and contrived to make it so humans would evolve
>without interference.  Indeed, it could have happened no other way.
>
If you add time-travel to the Uplift Universe, then you open a can
of worms...

Alberto Monteiro


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