Ilana wrote <<Mother/father/grandmother that are saying, how proud they are of shahid son/daughter and how they hope that their other offsprings would do the same thing - are guilty of harboring terrorists in *my* book.>> Jeroen wrote <<I can understand that they would feel proud of their offspring. What you call "terrorist", they call "freedom fighter". Sharon�s family will probably be proud of him, but Palestinians applying your line of reasoning will say that Sharon�s family is harboring a war criminal.>> We are back to the beginning - There Is No Symmetry Here. <<You are proud of your brother. Since the Israeli army commits what I consider war crimes, and your brother serves in that army, it follows from your reasoning that when he comes to visit you, you are harboring a war criminal.>> Take this farther <SHRUG> - by your account in years 1979-1984 I was a war criminal too. I also wrote << And in case you didn�t pay attention earlier - the house of shahid that blew himself in Naharia is in Israeli village Abu-Snena. Israeli - here means "not on territories" and that most of males in Abu Snena serve in Israeli army. The house stands - his family was very much against what he have done.>> Jeroen wrote <<My guess is that the fact that the house still stands has more to do with it being in an Israeli village than with the man�s family being opposed to his actions. It is one thing to go to some distant Palestinian village, blow up a house, and then go home. It is an other thing to blow up a house in your own village -- because then you are stuck with all that rubble in your back yard. If the family had said they supported his actions, Israel would probably have deported them, rather than destroy the house.>> You are getting this totally wrong - it's much easier to blow something that is under *your* control. <<FYI, destroying homes by the Israeli army was a topic in a documentary on German television a few days ago. After a Palestinian fired at an Israeli settlement (without killing or injuring anyone, BTW), the Israeli army sealed off an entire village for 15 days, searching for the shooter. In the process, they destroyed the homes of several families who had nothing to do with it. The Israeli response: "Oops, wrong house". No apologies, no compensation, no nothing.>> I finally got it. I am allowed to shoot on you whenever I want, provided I'll not kill or injure you. 15 days - you are talking of Beit-Jalla. There were wounded in Gilo, there was a guy whose survival was miracle. And if we are talking of same documentary - there was Arab woman showing holes in her walls and showing Israeli bullets that landed in her home. Now, I understand that you never shot a gun, but you don't need to to see that what she showed were cartridges - you know, things that are left after shooting? <<<sarcasm> But then, of course, everyone knows that Europeans are anti-Semitic, so these are all lies and anti-Semitic propaganda...</sarcasm>>> Europeans are not anti-Semitic. They are pro-Arabs and anti-Israel. Both Jews and Arabs are Semitic. Ilana from Israel
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