I wrote - there is no symmetry between Israeli soldier and Palestinian terrorist. Jeroen wrote <<There *is* symmetry -- you just refuse to see it. And by refusing to see it, you give the impression that you believe Israel and the Israeli's are superior to the Palestinians. :-(>> Not exactly, but any individual-oriented, pro-life culture (however misguided it is), is superior to group-oriented anti-life culture. And if you want example - Judaism does not permit/support/encourage blowing yourself up with your enemies for the glory of your God. What *I* believe is that Arabs want to kill me. (I have plenty of evidence) and I feel justified to prevent them from doing it.
I wrote <<It's much easier to blow something that is under *your* control.>> Jeroen wrote <<For all intents and purposes, those Palestinian villages *are* under Israeli control. That is why those regions are called "Occupied Territories". I doubt the weapons in the average Palestinian village are any match for a number of Israeli tanks and a group of heavily armed Israeli soldiers. They certainly are no match for rockets fired from Israeli helicopters.>> Check you data. All this thing of territory A, B, C. Also check history. Unfortunately Israeli army, however armed it is don't stand much chance if it is not ready to erase those villages totally. I wrote <<I finally got it. I am allowed to shoot on you whenever I want, provided I'll not kill or injure you.>> Jeroen wrote <<You really do not get it, do you? This was not about justifying shooting at an Israeli settlement, this was about displaying and condemning the excessive behavior of the Israeli army in response to that shooting.>> You are welcome to stay at Gilo for a week (incidentally - Gilo is not "occupied territories") Jeroen wrote <<If there were cartridges, and there were bullet holes, there were bullets. It makes sense that the woman showed the cartridges, not the bullets; picking up cartridges from the floor is a lot easier than prying those bullets out of the wall.>> If there were cartridges it means that somebody shoot *from* this house. So reaction *was justified. I wrote <<Europeans are not anti-Semitic. They are pro-Arabs and anti-Israel. Both Jews and Arabs are Semitic.>> Jeroen wrote <<You need to understand how the word "anti-Semitic" is used. When someone criticizes Israel, there are always people who will immediately label that person "anti-Semitic" (and I am speaking from personal experience here). That does not happen however when someone criticizes Arabs -- or at least, *I* have never seen that happen.>> Which is mistake. Check your Bible. Both Jews and Arabs belong to Semitic nations. Jeroen wrote <<To illustrate that point: I do not remember you ever saying anything nice about Arabs. Your posts suggest that you feel a strong dislike (if not hatred) for Arabs in general and Palestinians in particular. Yet, I do not remember anyone calling you anti-Semitic because of that.>> Why should I write nice things about Arabs. I believe that they want to destroy my country and Palestinians are one of the ways. You *do* know, that "Palestinian nation" was created in 1948? Don't you? Egypt got Sinai but it does not prevent drugs and slavers coming through it's borders. The state with Jordan is better - it always returns back idiots who cross the border to Petra, although seven young girls were killed by Jordan border soldier, who went unpunished. Also we pay very dearly for this peace - with water that we don't have. Yes, I am pretty much anti-Arab. Not anti-Semitic, because it would mean that I am against myself and I am not. Jeroen wrote <<And for the record: Europeans as a whole are not anti-Israel. Many of us just do not believe that Israel's politics are the way to go, and we do not go out into the streets to wave the Israeli flag and yell "Death to all Palestinians" every time a bomb goes of in Jerusalem.>> Neither do we, unfortunately. In my opinion it could help very much if Palestinians believed that there would be reaction to each terrorist act. Jeroen wrote <<You make it sound as if all of Europe would like nothing better than to see Israel and the Jews wiped from the face of the earth.>> I don't know. Would you? You certainly behave in such way. At the other hand, may be you simply do not understand. You, believe, that, if, Israel, will, leave, "territories", it would, survive. I would like to share your optimism. Ilana from Israel
