At 07:43 23-12-01 +0200, Ilana Halupovich wrote: >Ilana wrote ><<Mother/father/grandmother that are saying, how proud they are of shahid >son/daughter and how they hope that their other offsprings would do the same >thing - are guilty of harboring terrorists in *my* book.>>
>Jeroen wrote ><<I can understand that they would feel proud of their offspring. What you >call "terrorist", they call "freedom fighter". Sharon�s family will probably >be proud of him, but Palestinians applying your line of reasoning will say >that Sharon�s family is harboring a war criminal.>> >We are back to the beginning - There Is No Symmetry Here. There *is* symmetry -- you just refuse to see it. And by refusing to see it, you give the impression that you believe Israel and the Israeli's are superior to the Palestinians. :-( One would think that if there is one group of people in this world who would realise the dangers of such an attitude, it would be the Israeli's... >I also wrote ><< And in case you didn�t pay attention earlier - the house of shahid that >blew himself in Naharia is in Israeli village Abu-Snena. Israeli - here >means "not on territories" and that most of males in Abu Snena serve in >Israeli army. The house stands - his family was very much against what he >have done.>> >Jeroen wrote ><<My guess is that the fact that the house still stands has more to do with >it being in an Israeli village than with the man�s family being opposed to >his actions. It is one thing to go to some distant Palestinian village, blow >up a house, and then go home. It is an other thing to blow up a house in >your own village -- because then you are stuck with all that rubble in your >back yard. If the family had said they supported his actions, Israel would >probably have deported them, rather than destroy the house.>> >You are getting this totally wrong - it's much easier to blow something that >is under *your* control. For all intents and purposes, those Palestinian villages *are* under Israeli control. That is why those regions are called "Occupied Territories". I doubt the weapons in the average Palestinian village are any match for a number of Israeli tanks and a group of heavily armed Israeli soldiers. They certainly are no match for rockets fired from Israeli helicopters. ><<FYI, destroying homes by the Israeli army was a topic in a documentary on >German television a few days ago. After a Palestinian fired at an Israeli >settlement (without killing or injuring anyone, BTW), the Israeli army >sealed off an entire village for 15 days, searching for the shooter. In the >process, they destroyed the homes of several families who had nothing to do >with it. The Israeli response: "Oops, wrong house". No apologies, no >compensation, no nothing.>> >I finally got it. I am allowed to shoot on you whenever I want, provided >I'll not kill or injure you. You really do not get it, do you? This was not about justifying shooting at an Israeli settlement, this was about displaying and condemning the excessive behaviour of the Israeli army in response to that shooting. >And if we are talking of same documentary - there was Arab woman showing >holes in her walls and showing Israeli bullets that landed in her home. Now, >I understand that you never shot a gun, but don't need to to see that what >she showed were cartridges - you know, things that are left after shooting? If there were cartridges, and there were bullet holes, there were bullets. It makes sense that the woman showed the cartridges, not the bullets; picking up cartridges from the floor is a lot easier than prying those bullets out of the wall. ><<<sarcasm> >But then, of course, everyone knows that Europeans are anti-Semitic, so >these are all lies and anti-Semitic propaganda...</sarcasm>>> >Europeans are not anti-Semitic. They are pro-Arabs and anti-Israel. Both >Jews and Arabs are Semitic. You need to understand how the word "anti-Semitic" is used. When someone criticises Israel, there are always people who will immediately label that person "anti-Semitic" (and I am speaking from personal experience here). That does not happen however when someone criticises Arabs -- or at least, *I* have never seen that happen. To illustrate that point: I do not remember you ever saying anything nice about Arabs. Your posts suggest that you feel a strong dislike (if not hatred) for Arabs in general and Palestinians in particular. Yet, I do not remember anyone calling you anti-Semitic because of that. And for the record: Europeans as a whole are not anti-Israel. Many of us just do not believe that Israel's politics are the way to go, and we do not go out into the streets to wave the Israeli flag and yell "Death to all Palestinians" every time a bomb goes of in Jerusalem. You make it sound as if all of Europe would like nothing better than to see Israel and the Jews wiped from the face of the earth. Jeroen _________________________________________________________________________ Wonderful World of Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com Tom's Photo Gallery: http://tom.vanbaardwijk.com
