At 08:40 24-12-01 +0200, Ilana Halupovich wrote: ><<There *is* symmetry -- you just refuse to see it. And by refusing to see >it, you give the impression that you believe Israel and the Israeli's are >superior to the Palestinians. :-(>>
>Not exactly, but any individual-oriented, pro-life culture (however >misguided it is), is superior to group-oriented anti-life culture. So, you believe that Arabs have an anti-life culture? >And if >you want example - Judaism does not permit/support/encourage blowing >yourself up with your enemies for the glory of your God. This may come as a surprise to you, but neither does Islam. Such actions are only justified in the minds of people with a very narrow and shortsighted interpretation of the Koran. You really should read it some day. ><<For all intents and purposes, those Palestinian villages *are* under >Israeli control. That is why those regions are called "Occupied >Territories". I doubt the weapons in the average Palestinian village are any >match for a number of Israeli tanks and a group of heavily armed Israeli >soldiers. They certainly are no match for rockets fired from Israeli >helicopters.>> >Check you data. All this thing of territory A, B, C. Also check history. >Unfortunately Israeli army, however armed it is don't stand much chance if >it is not ready to erase those villages totally. <shudder> Ready to wipe out entire villages? That sounds like Israel is run by those old hardliners from the Soviet Union... ><<Europeans are not anti-Semitic. They are pro-Arabs and anti-Israel. Both >Jews and Arabs are Semitic.>> ><<You need to understand how the word "anti-Semitic" is used. When someone >criticizes Israel, there are always people who will immediately label that >person "anti-Semitic" (and I am speaking from personal experience here). >That does not happen however when someone criticizes Arabs -- or at least, >*I* have never seen that happen.>> >Which is mistake. Check your Bible. Cannot do that. Do not have one. >Both Jews and Arabs belong to Semitic nations. I am not disputing that. I am only pointing out to you that in real life, I have only seen and heard the term "anti-Semitic" used for people who criticised Israel, not for people who criticised Arabs. ><<To illustrate that point: I do not remember you ever saying anything nice >about Arabs. Your posts suggest that you feel a strong dislike (if not >hatred) for Arabs in general and Palestinians in particular. Yet, I do not >remember anyone calling you anti-Semitic because of that.>> >Why should I write nice things about Arabs. Why not? Not all Arabs want to destroy you and your country. I know there are groups in Israel and Palestine in which Israeli's and Palestinians work together, in order to better understand each other, which may eventually lead to peace. Just like not all Israeli's are war-mongering idiots like Sharon, not all Arabs are evil people who want to destroy Israel. ><<And for the record: Europeans as a whole are not anti-Israel. Many of us >just do not believe that Israel's politics are the way to go, and we do not >go out into the streets to wave the Israeli flag and yell "Death to all >Palestinians" every time a bomb goes of in Jerusalem.>> >Neither do we, unfortunately. Do you realise that it is exactly your kind of attitude that will prevent peace? It is the kind of hardlining you and your government display that stands in the way of the peace process. If Israel maintains it black-and-white idea of "Israel good, Arabs evil" it will never know peace. >In my opinion it could help very much if >Palestinians believed that there would be reaction to each terrorist act. Israel has this policy of destroying homes of families of Palestinian terrorists and launching helicopter attacks on buildings of Palestinian government and police after terrorist attacks. I would say that qualifies as "reaction to each terrorist act". ><<You make it sound as if all of Europe would like nothing better than to >see Israel and the Jews wiped from the face of the earth.>> >I don't know. Would you? No. >You certainly behave in such way. We do? How? We still do business with Israel. We still maintain diplomatic relations with Israel. We aided in the defense of Israel during the Gulf War. We do not round up and deport Israeli's when Israel launches another attack against the Palestinians. Heck, the Dutch Minister of Defense even supported Israel's most recent actions against Yasser Arafat. >At the other >hand, may be you simply do not understand. You, believe, that, if, Israel, >will, leave, "territories", it would, survive. It certainly would not be a bad move -- it would give the Palestinians one less reason to attack Israel. Jeroen _________________________________________________________________________ Wonderful World of Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com Tom's Photo Gallery: http://tom.vanbaardwijk.com
