At 09:05 30-12-01 -0500, John Giorgis wrote:

>"Israel retaliates in revenge?????"    And you wonder why people start to
>think that you might be anti-Semitic!    I'll drop you a hint - positively
>ridiculous insults of Israel (which is closely identified with Judaisim
>itself), like this one go a looooooong ways.

So, Israel does not take revenge for attacks? Then what do you call 
helicopter strikes against Palestinians they suspect of terrorism? What do 
you call blowing up a Palestinian police station after a suicide bombing?

Did you ever wonder why people in Europe are so critical of the US and 
Israel? I will give you a hint: unquestioningly defending Israel and its 
actions go a looooooong way. The fiercest criticism of Israel I have heard 
from people like you is "well, I think building settlements in the Occupied 
Territories was a bad idea". Other than that, occupation, oppression, 
violence and even war crimes seem to be absolutely reasonable and 
acceptable. Oddly enough, when Iraq did something similar in Kuwait, the US 
launched a full-blown war against Iraq.

I am not impressed by accusations of anti-Semitism. People like you do 
their best to make it look as if Israel is so holy it can not possibly do 
anything wrong. It seems to be customary to call anyone who dares criticise 
The Holy State of Israel an anti-Semite.

Now, of course, our one Israeli listmember herself has (unintentionaaly) 
shown that I can not be anti-Semitic. She said that both Israeli's and 
Arabs are Semitic, so if I would be anti-Semitic I would show hatred of 
both Israeli's and Arabs. Yet, people here have written more than once that 
I "defend Arabs no matter what".


>Jeroen, with the above comment, you have abandoned all pretext of
>rationality on this subject.   Please come back when you intend to be
>serious about this.

John, please come back when you can be serious about this, and not see 
Israel has a land so holy that everything it does must be defended without 
question.



>JDG
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>John D. Giorgis       -         [EMAIL PROTECTED]      -        ICQ #3527685
>  "Our campaign against international terrorism does not represent some
>         sort of 'clash of civilizations.'   Instead, it is a clash between
>   civilization and those who would destroy it." -Amb. Richard N. Haass


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