> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: John D. Giorgis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Verzonden: donderdag 24 januari 2002 4:36
> Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Onderwerp: RE: Fwd: CNN Breaking News

> >> >> So, If I understand it correctly, Israel is required, after 4
> >> >> attacks to retreat to show good will.  Am I missing something?
> >> >> Shouldn't the attacking countries be the ones required to
> >> >> demonstrate good will?
> >> >
> >> >I believe they have. They have entered into peace negotiations with
> >> >Israel, and have refrained from attempts to invade Israel -- even
> >> >though their combined military forces would probably outnumber
> >> >Israel's military forces.
> >> 
> >> The killing of the families of 12-year-old girls is presumably
> >> another example of this restraint, right?
> >
> >You are not reading what was written. Note the phrase "attacking
> >countries".
> >Israeli civilians are being targeted by Palestinian terrorists, not by
> >Israel's neighbouring countries. Last I heard, a sovereign country
> >called Palestine did not and still does not exist.
> 
> You apparently have never talked to the League of Arab States, which
> has the country of "Palestine" as a member.

Well, since you maintain that the country of Palestine exists: where is it?
I looked at the world map, but I could not find a country called
"Palestine". I looked at a map of the Middle East, but I could not find a
country called "Palestine" there either. I checked with the CIA World
Factbook, but "Palestine" is not listed (unlike every other country in the
world). The Netherlands has no relations (diplomatic and/or economical) with
a country called "Palestine". On the list of UN Member States, there is no
mention of "Palestine".

So, where oh where is this mysterious country that is invisible to everyone
but you?


> >For the umpteenth time (and probably in vain), criticising Israeli
> >politics does NOT equal anti-Semitism. I checked two different
> >dictionaries (one Dutch, one English) and both define anti-Semitism
> >as "hatred of Jews". I have never stated that I hate Jews. I criticise
> >*politics*, not *religion*.
> 
> Wrong thread Jeroen.   You were not criticized as being an anti-Semite
> for criticizing the policies of Israel.
> 
> You were criticized as being an Anti-Semite for appearing to hold that
> those who intentionally target innocent Israeli civlians with vicious
> attacks were in fact showing "good will" towards Israel.

Again, I did not. First, I mentioned COUNTRIES that attacked Israel up to
four times. If you check your history, you will notice that in none of those
wars Israel was attacked by a country called "Palestine".

Second, I have over and over again stated that I do not support attacks on
civilians. I can only wonder why you continue to ignore this.

So, when and where did I say I hate Jews? I have said that the Palestinians
have a right to fight Israel, but AFAIK I never said Jews should be
eradicated. IOW, you accuse me of being anti-Semitic without the presence of
evidence. Show me the post in which I said "I hate Jews" and/or "the Jews
should be eradicated", or withdraw the accusation and apologise.


> >> it is that you can describel a group of people that is viciously
> >> targeting innocent civilians going about daily life as standard
> >> operating tactics as echibiting GOOD WILL towards their victims.
> >
> >Again, you are not reading what was written. I said that the COUNTRIES
> >that have previously attacked Israel have shown restrain by not
> >attacking a fifth time, even though their combined armed forces would
> >probably outnumber Israel's armed forces. 
> 
> Sorry Jeroen, but there is no knowledgeable person who believes that
> Israel would not defeat in Egypt/Lebanon/Syria/Jordan/Palestine in
> another combined war.

That sentence does not make sense to me. Are you saying "Israel would not
defeat Egypt/..." (IOW: Israel would lose), or "Israel would not be defeated
by Egypt/..." (IOW: Israel would win).

<Battle Mode>
So, who wants to be the first this time to accuse me of hiding behind the
"no speaky the English" defense?
</Battle Mode>


Jeroen

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