I fully agree with Jon's thoughts below. And yes, I *have* read Kiln People. My intial anonymous and spoilerless review is availabe on amazon.com..
marvin On Fri, 1 Feb 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 2/1/02 10:36:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << But if the general will of the list is that I step down as listowner, I'll > be fine with that. >> > > I walked into a mailbox crapfest this morning (gee, another day in the > neighborhood ;-)) and I'm slowly sifting through it. I'm posting this because > the first few e-mails I read said that the entire active list is against the > list owner's actions. > > For the record, and perhaps I'm a lone voice here... > > I still haven't seen the relevant posts from Jeroen, but I spent a lot of > time in the archives yesterday evening. John's posts didn't seem to warrant > his onlist reprimand. He has indignantly taken it up with the list owners > (and very rightly so, IMHO,) and they will have to sort it out. I do think > that this is really a problem the list has with the way Eileen reprimanded > him and not a larger issue. As a listowner she has it in her role of > responsibilities to reprimand people. How and why she or another listowner > should do so may need to be defined. > > That said, I don't think any of the Listowners should step down. If we have > a problem with the way they are handling their responsibilities then we, as > members of the list need to "lay down the law" by defining more clearly what > we would and would not like them to do. Perhaps adding to their ranks would > be helpful, but what would the reasoning be behind doing so? I also think > they should get a vote -- they're doing the job, after all. > > As for each of them personally: > > I really don't want to see Julia leave. As far as I've seen you've been > unfailingly helpful and polite on the list whenever I or someone else has > needed assistance. It has been appreciated. I don't think Jeroen should > step down either. From what I've seen 99% of the assistance Jeroen provides > has been helpful: sarcastic comments aside, he almost always responds to > anyone who needs assistance if someone else doesn't get there first. And I > can live with the sarcasm -- he gives as good as he gets and so do we. As I > said, if we have a problem with the job he's doing we all should redefine his > role, not give him the boot. As far as Eileen is concerned I have no opinion > other than those I've already mentioned, because I haven't interacted with > her recently and don't really remember her from when I was active 3-4 years > ago. > > BTW, in response to something Eileen said: the website and statistics portion > volunteer work Jeroen does is invaluable and truly proves his dedication to > the list, but IMHO doesn't warrant extra list responsibilities. If > necessary, list owner responsibilites can and should be changed according to > what the list needs irrespective of whether one performs a special role or > not. > > I do miss Dee. When she was active in the past the list seemed "fuller" and > more interesting. > > (hasn't anybody read Kiln People? *sigh*) > > Jon > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Marvin Long Austin, Texas
