On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, J. van Baardwijk wrote: > Marvin: > >Is a complete record necessary? To what end? > > This is a case of bad phrasing, actually. I do not mean that we should keep > complete records of all calls ever made on someone. Rather, informing the > listowners would be necessary so we have a complete record of what happened > with regard to a specific case. > > OK, this probably still does not make much sense. Explanation by example. > > Poster X shows misbehaviour, and is called on it off-list by poster Y, who > forgets to inform the listowners. Poster X continues his misbehaviour, and > Y asks the listowners to give X a public warning. However, according to the > procedure (as I have given you a draft proposal for), the listowners can > not give X a public warning because as far as they know, X has never been > given an off-list warning (as dictated by the procedure).
I think I'm envisioning a different process. If Poster X continues his misbehavior despite poster Y's private request, then it's up to Poster Y (or some other poster who feels similarly) to call on-list for better behavior from Poster X. In other words, I don't envision listmembers going to listowners to act as spokespersons for their views. I envision listmembers handling things themselves (with listowners able to act as any other listmember in their regard), and the listowners' role as listowners will only be invoked when a technical function, like suspension from the list, must be performed in accordance with the wishes of the list as expressed by a public discussion. This way everybody's privacy is protected, and adults can deal with each other as adults without the knowledge or worry that some third party is been cc'ed in all private disputes regarding etiquette. I think Erik Reuter addressed this issue with a number of proposed amendments to the draft, which I'm inclined to support. > > I do not see any need to post the Etiquette Guidelines every week. They may > need to be posted occassionally to remind people of them, but that should > happen no more than a few times per year. The Etiquette Guidelines can be > read on-line at any time at www.Brin-L.com. True, but lots of lists have a weekly automated posting of a FAQ and etiquette rules. It's not *necessary* strictly speaking, but it might be convenient. Marvin Long Austin, Texas
