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From: "Marvin Long, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "BRIN-L Mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: There And Back Again [was: Re: TIME OUT]


>
> Reality check and mate.  Thanks, Rob.  Any ideas?  :-/
>
I think the obvious first step is to examine where we are fractured.
Its obvious that Jeroen and to some extent also Sonia are isolated and/or
alienated from the main body of American frequent posters. But I think it is
very important to find others who would be allies with them and solicit
their honest input. (This means that no one can argue with their posts in
this thread. They have to be accepted at face value and posters would have
to be able to post honest opinions on this thread without fear that they
will be picked apart or that their posts will be discussed in any way)
So I think that first we need a "Fear Free" forum. Hopefully we can attract
some former posters who now lurk and maybe some first time posters and
solicit their "True" feelings.

I have some ideas on how to accomplish this, but it pretty much hinges on
everyone accepting that we have been abusing each other for a long time, and
having a desire to change ourselves.
We can change ouselves to improve the list but we cant change anyone else.
I think this is implicit and primary to any hope of returning the list to
its former greatness.

Lastly, I am the biggest asshole on Brin-L, and I am willing to try even if
no one else is. I get caught up in this stuff very easily. Its a personality
defect on my part, but its my problem, my problem to solve, and I hope to
keep myself from inflicting my problem on anyone else.

xponent
First Steps Maru
rob

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