----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 8:56 AM Subject: Ecology and Populations
> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 8:26 AM > Subject: Re: Efficiency in Genocide > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J. van Baardwijk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 6:48 AM > > Subject: Re: Efficiency in Genocide > > > > > > > At 05:52 30-06-2002 -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote: > > > > > > >How you gonna feed em all? And where you gonna grow it? I suspect the > > > >answers will be less than yummy. > > > > > > If you manage to cram the entire world population into Texas, there > will > > be > > > plenty of room to grow food: you can then use the rest of the planet's > > land > > > surface to grow food. > > > > > > > > > >Any idea how much room the life support infrastructure will take? > HVAC? > > > > > > HVAC? What is HVAC? > > > > > Heating > > Ventilation > > Air Conditioning > > > > Its the system that takes up the most room in any building. HVAC ducts > are > > usually quite large and involve multiple independent systems for > different > > floors and/or Fire Zones. > > > > > > > > >Plumbing? Electrical? Chill Water? Steam? Transportation? > > > > > > Build your production facilities anywhere else in the US. Since all the > > > people there have moved to Texas, there will be ample space to build > those > > > facilities. > > > > But those systems are all for the building the worlds population is > living > > in! You are talking about a greater level of difficulty and a greater > > likelyhood of failure by moving them ahhhhhhhh........offsite. > > > > Well Rob, I've done some calculating. The population of the Netherlands > was just under 16 million as of July, 2001. The total area of the > Netherlands is about 41500 sq. km. This gives a population density of > about 385/ sq. km. > > The population of the U.S. at the same time was about 278 million. The > total land area of Texas is about 690,000 sq. km. If all the US were to > move to Texas, the population density would be about 402/sq. km. > > While I can understand why you wouldn't want Texas to be like the > Netherlands :-), I think that you are overstating the problem of population > density. Population densities like the Netherlands are, by definition, > feasible. They are probably even feasible long term. > > For grins and giggles, I looked at Singapore. Their population density is > about 6640/sq km. That is probably not feasible on a world wide basis. > > Dan M. > I understand and agree with you Dan, but I was addressing the question from a bit different stance than you seem to be answering. What The Fool postulated is quite possible if overly simplified. The idea that you could fit everyone on earth in a 30 X 30 per individual room is feaseable, but entails the addition of infrastructure for the support of these individuals that quite exceeds the "half of Texas" portion postulated. IOW you could fit them there, but not keep them alive over the long term without significant infrastructure that requires both a whole lot of space/area and considerable amounts of energy. (Though energy transmission costs would be slashed tremendously. And I'm not speaking only of electrical transmission.) There is also the problem of heat, both from human bodies and human activities, that has to be dealt with. I was looking at cramming the world into an area the size of Texas, not having the world work with that kind of population density worldwide. That entails even greater logistical problems. xponent The Skeleton Of A Building Maru rob
