> >Haha, haha that's funny. It only took Clinton seven years to act in Kosovo. >The Dayton meetings did nothing, the ones in 1998 did nothing. He kept on >warning warning warning while the people were dying dying dying. Heck next >year let's give him the Nobel Peace Prize if we use the same standards that >let Carter get it.
Pah! I look at results. It took time and sweat and patience. (And yes, trying several different approaches). And Europe is now civilized. Compare the "ten years later results" in Yugoslavia to in Iraq. Any Day! Your reflex partisanship is blind. > >The press in Britain means nothing. Should we base our policy on The New >York Times, which agrees with you, or The Washington Post who agree with >President Bush on the issue of war? Do you have ANY british friends? have you bothered even remotely to find out what other people in other lands think? Under Clinton we were admired. Nearly all foreigners were puzzled/amazed by Monicagate. They nearly now all think we are crazed cowboys. >The whole start of this was your opinion that this is a wag the dog issue >to distract the country from the economy (as if the dems screaming about it >every chance they get isn't enough). But Bush has been talking about Iraq >for more than a year now, it has been an issue for eleven years. The >Democrats thought we should do more in Iraq a few years ago but now, gasp, >the issue needs discussed. Not one word of this paragraph alters the fact. It's a dogwag. >d.brin wrote: > > > > >Saddam will not strike at us, even if he has WMD. He knows that to > >do so will mean his death, as a direct cause and effect relationship, > >within days to weeks of giving the order. > > >I think you are underestimating the "Pandora Box" effect of allowing >SH to have the bomb. Right now, there are seven countries with the bomb >[us, ru, uk, fr, cn, in, pk] and probably a few others that might have it >[il, the former soviet republics]. I have no problem with considering it unacceptable for SH to have nukes or other WMD. And it is totally okay with me that we are finally starting to think about correcting Bush Sr.'s horrendous mistake. Moreover, I am all in favor of Pax Americana, which has led to vastly more human opportunity and happiness than any other 'pax', and which may lead to a world of Justice and Law. NONE of which ties into the present dogwag. 1. Bush Jr tenaciously holds the same logic as Bush Sr.... that Iraq must be maintained as a single country. In order to do that AND get rid of Saddam, we must go straight into Baghdad, use urban warfare to hunt down SH and his Tikriti clan, and replace them with a US led military occupation government. This is loony. Urban warfare is the most violent and unpredictable kind. Baghdad is where the Sunnis live, who hate us most. They will not kiss us as liberators (an essential image on TV that validates our actions.) Instead, the image will be of a 'crusade' against Islam. Above all, a direct attack on SH is the very thing that will trigger as spasmodic use of WMD. The solution that will NOT cause SH to use his WMDs is to leave him in power in Baghdad for a while, as we remove his sources of victims and wealth, by finally liberating the Kurds and the shiites to form their own nations. SH will lose all his oil & most of his victims, but will not be personally threatened. He can stew there till someone finally puts a bullet in his brain, quietly. 2. We have NO solid evidence for major transportable deliverable WMDs in Iraq. This dogwag is based on the principle that we can charge into any country, any time, based on rumors! Any wonder the rest of the world hates it? So why are we squandering all our good will dragging them in? November 5, folks. >But AFAIK politicians all over the world are promising the A-Bomb >to solve all their problems. Here in Brazil, for example, the presidential >candidate Lula promised this when he spoke to the militaires. That's why we need to be careful and stand on high moral ground. Paradoxically, it is the only way to maintain our authority as the world's de facto police force. _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
