On 14 Jun 2003 at 22:42, Erik Reuter wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 03:14:52AM +0100, Andrew Crystall wrote:
> 
> > There was nothing "sudden" about it - events leading up to it had
> > been going on for half a century. Perhaps WW2 gave it a final push,
> > but things were brewing WELL before that.
> 
> Are you suggesting that because the Palestinian Arabs living there saw
> that lots of Zionists were moving in for some time, that they
> anticipated that they would be forced to either leave their homes or
> become part of another religion's state, and that therefore they did
> not feel wronged when it happened?

Uhh? The British STOPPED many of the Isralie immigrants. The *entire 
situation* was brewing, thanks to the British. And Israel's courts 
don't enforce a specifically Jewish law.

The religious Zionists were a minority - most of the Zionists were 
driven by ideology (both the desire for a homeland and in some cases 
the communism ideology which founded the Kibbutz movement).

Also, many of the "Palestinian Arabs" settled AFTER the British 
Mandate was established.

And there are haunting tales of the War of Independence, such as the 
stand - and final slaughter after their surrender - of the defenders 
of the Etzion block, which critically delayed Arab offences. (and 
fell into the "West Bank" until the 6-day war).

> > Also, those peoples leaders had just REJECTED a plan which would
> > have seem them get their own state.
> 
> This suggests the Palestinian Arabs were opposed to leaving their
> homes or becoming part of a Jewish State.

Uhh? Oh, they didn't get to vote or anything. Their leadership 
*decided* And many fled because of Arab properganda. We've been over 
the ground of the refugees recently..

> > There are over a million Isralie Arabs. 
>                                ^^^
> Freudian slip? (joke)

Dyslexic...

As I said, I want a Palestian state in the region. But I want BOTH an 
Isralie and a Palestian state. I don't really consider that overly 
unreasonable.

Andy
Dawn Falcon

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