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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Charlie Bell
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 1:58 AM
> To: Killer Bs Discussion
> Subject: Re: "Someone Must Tell Them"
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> But it isn't. The whole idea of terror is to get you to take away
> your own freedoms by fear. 

I really don't see this. For example, with AQ, the evidence is that they see
the lifestyle of the West as decadent and evil, and the dominance of the
West to be anathema to the proper order of things.  

I really don't think that AQ considered Bush wiretapping without a warrant
or the law establishing military tribunals as the types of goals they wanted
to reach.  I think they more had in mind isolationism tactics like the
restriction of American ship movement after the Cole, or the change in the
Spanish government after the Madrid bombings.

Bush bungling Iraq as bad as he did is a gift to the insurgency.  There is
no doubt that any time the US tries and fails miserably, it will be a boon
to the insurgency.  But, the "war on terror" apart from Iraq hurt the
insurgency more than it helped it.  The capacity and command and control of
AQ has been weakened.  They no longer control Afghanistan.  Thus, it should
be harder to stage overwhelming massive attacks, like 9-11.  There have been
no attacks on the US (outside of the battlegrounds that we chose to fight
in...for better or worse) since 911, while there had been four during the
'90s.  It's still too early to consider this having statistical significance
(from random chance, one could expect this to happen 30% of the time) but it
is approaching 1 sigma.  

>It's not about killing as many as possible, it's about killing
>spectacularly and violently and most importantly, randomly.

I think, fundamentally, it's about getting a better armed adversary to
retreat and eventually give up.  Spectacular, violent, and random killings
are very good at getting through people's defense mechanism for fear:
understanding the risk, fighting the risk....leaving flight as the single
natural reaction that's possible. 

The suicide bombings in Israel will succeed if enough Jews decide that it's
not worth living there any more and move on, to the US for example.  I think
that the terror attacks do work as you say....but I think that regular
killing of 100 citizens of Israel every week would have been more successful
than the suicide bombings were. And, FWIW, those bombings have decreased
noticeably over the past few years.  They still happen, but not all the
time. So, the poorly planned incursion into Lebanon notwithstanding, Israel
seems less likely to see people leave than it did just a few years ago....so
whatever they did to counter the bombings does seem to be working.

Dan M. 




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