Score keepers are a great idea except...it requires a ton of volunteers. 10 pitches over two days would mean 10 people full time per day without breaks and without playing. Realistically you need about 40 people to each dedicate a half day, no playing, full time per pitch, to implement score keepers. Even then these people will often want rewarding in some way.
That's the reason only really large scale tournaments can manage this. Copa is this weekend ( that's right the event that introduced text scoring last year ) and we've got 9 pitches. I've got about 20 volunteers which is likely a lot more than most Tour events have and with all of the other event requirements I couldn't possibly manage to have scorekeepers as well. Steve On 21/08/07, Philip Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So why not use the model that Gynga used for Mixed nationals and > .............. EUC. Score keepers. If we want to improve tour then this has > to be one of the best things that can happen now. > > I'm not picking on any of the tournaments I have been to this year but If I > had played Mixed nationals last year I would have thought its nice to not > have to flip the score board. Its good to know that the TD cares about my > game. Man I can actually find out what is happening with out any effert form > me at all. Who do I give the spirit score to..... oh the tournament rep by > the pitch!!! > > so seriously if you want a bench mark for running the best tour talk to Gynga > about how he runs them. > > > Scraggy > Devon 2 Captain > > > PS split the tour as well.... it can only make the TD's job easier > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Dan Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: IndoorsDOC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, 21 August, 2007 11:21:55 AM > Subject: RE: [BD] Spirit of the Game > > > Note for all readers. That figure was a haphazard guess. I'd be > surprised if it was over 60% though. I reckon I got about half of all > the teams. > > Put it this way, you're at a tournament and you finish your last game. > If no one actively chases you, do you really worry about the spirit > scores? Especially if you're shattered and really want to get home, > which is probably hours away. If no provision is made then what are you > to do? This was our fault at tour 1. Live and learn. Everyone leaves it > to the captain and the captain is probably loathe to hunt around to hand > it in after a weekend of being organisation monkey. So I, and one other, > ran around trying to hunt teams down but most of the B tour had gone as > they finished earlier (why wouldn't they leave!) and so I got who I > could from people still around. Then people were scared to speak on > behalf of their teams etc. It wasn't teams showing a lack of > willingness, it was us not having told people what to do. Again, live > and learn. Once you spend two hours running around with a sheet of paper > asking people who the play for, you make a mental note to improve this > method next time round. > > As a player, I would much rather just text it all in and forget about > it, than walk around trying to find a TD when my brain was approaching > shut down on a late sunday afternoon. Hopefully, it will prove of little > hassle to the teams and massive benefit to everyone at the event. Lost > count of the amount of times people wanted to know where they finished > in their pool or who there cross over was against and we were missing > one result which held everything up. Think this would just make it run > more smoothly for all. > > Whether the players actually text in the results...now that's the part > I'm not sure about. > > I think it's a good solution for both the scores and spirit problems we > encountered. But then I would say that... > > Berry7. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: IndoorsDOC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 21 August 2007 11:00 > To: Dan Berry; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BD] Spirit of the Game > > 40% of teams gave a spirit score at T1? That's frankly appalling. Do > people really think this doesn't matter? > > If so, we should urgently implement the measures that have been > discussed - always reporting spirit scores after tournaments as Jack and > Milky have done, and using a broader spirit scoring system that gives a > score to every team you play. I think the texting system is a top notch > idea. > > B > > Dan Berry wrote: > > On a random note, we will be (hopefully) be implementing a reporting > > system at Nationals whereby EACH team texts in their score after EACH > > game. We would also like a spirit score out of 10 for to be done at > > the same time. If (and the if is a big one) each team did this, it > > would make life a lot easier for those running the tournament and > > would give a proper representation of spirit at the presentation. The > > biggest problems I had at Tour 1 were getting scores in, people > > forgetting/disagreeing on scores, and spirit. If both teams texted > > immediately after the game we'd have (you'd hope) two matching > > scorelines and a spirit score for both team logged immediately. Then > > we can update the pools as the day goes on and at the presentation > > we'd have a really accurate sprit trophy to award. At tour 1 I ran > > around like a fool for nearly 2 hours and probably got 40% of the > > spirit scores in. Which is a shame as it would be nice to get all of > > them in, if possible. > > > > I am pretty sure one person on your team will get free texts. Failing > > that, take turns to text the score in and split that 60p phone bill > > between you! It would make things run a lot more smoothly. If we use > > the same UKUA phone each time (all conjecture on my part) then people > > could use this system (if it works) at each UKUA event. > > > > Seems a bit archaic all this running around and shouting at people in > > the dinner queue for missing scores. Just an idea like. > > > > Berry7. > > > > All my own views. No one else has typed any of this message. Honest. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Behalf Of hannah easter > > Sent: 21 August 2007 09:47 > > To: brit disc > > Subject: [BD] Spirit of the Game > > > > Hi all, > > > > I would just like to comment on Jacks spirit of the game scores. While > > > I think that in principle that it is a good idea to release > > information like this i feel that a more accurate medium should be > > used to determine this. For example a system we tried to implement > > last year was a score out of ten for EVERY team you played. 5 being an > > > average game with nothing bad and nothing amazingly good in it. > > deducting points for aggressive behaviour or a bad unresolved call, > > plus points given for good discussion of a call, and generally > spirited behaviour. > > > > The problems with the format is getting people to give in their spirit > > > scores. from a TD prospective it gets really confusing as any team > > that does not submit a spirit vote CANT win spirit... some teams have > > therefore won by default... is this a true reflection of spirit??? > > > > A 3-2-1 score does not give an accurate account. Just my ramblings as > > DOC > > > > Hannah > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. 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