I do have one cautionary spanner in the works for the otherwise good idea of texting in spirit votes.
I didnt even use my phone this weekend, it was in the inside pocket of a GoreTex jacket, apparently that wasnt enough to keep out the extreme damp which only Wales can provide. My phone died on Saturday and wouldnt turn on at all until late Sunday evening, it lasted until yesterday morning when it died again. I briefly managed to get it working again long enough to back up its contents yesterday afternoon but its now firmly back in the world of dead. Still it's 11 and a half months old, i'll get a nice shiny new replacement on the warranty, huzzah! Maybe there's a contructive suggestion in there somewhere, maybe a clear waterproof bag in the captains pack for the JTM's phone to go in, and if it does go wrong, its only the JTM's after all. Or maybe the use of technology shouldn't be attempted in places with hostile environments, such as Cardiff or Mansfield? Would there be a provision for setting up some sort of flaming beacons by the pitches to relay messages back to HQ in these locations? Spike Brighton #57 On 8/21/07, Jaimie Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'd agree that the wording is poor, as it sort of implies you should make > more calls and then retract them to prove just how spirited you are. > However > 'spirit' is a very difficult thing to quantify, and I fully support the > idea > that we should try and promote and support 'good spirit' as a community. > > > > I know I'm particularly bad at handing in spirit scores (and I've long > advocated score/time keepers) but honestly I don't think that makes me bad > spirited. If a game was particularly good/bad then I'd mention it in the > circle at the end, and I believe that recognition is far more valuable > than > a secret poll which you rarely get to hear about. > > > > Following some rather heated exchanges in our sudden death pool game this > weekend, both Rodders and myself mentioned in the circle at the end that > our > team's behaviour/spirit was below what we would expect and that we would > endeavour to do much better next time, which was great to hear. But how do > you then assign a spirit score to the opposition in that situation? > Knowing > my team could have demonstrated better spirit is it my place to criticise > the opposition? Perhaps at the end of the game both captains should agree > a > spirit score for the game as a whole, and both teams sharing the score. > Perhaps I should be given the job of deciding who gets the spirit prize… > > Jaimie > (has won spirit more often than you'd imagine) > > On 21/08/07, IndoorsDOC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Kevin Lowe wrote: > > > > > >> Spirit isn't about giving your opponents things at crucial times, > > >> it's about calling it EXACTLY as you see it > > > > > > I disagree with this. Two people standing next to each other on the > > > sideline, even with no real interest in the game, may 'see' a > > > situation very differently. > > > > > > Spirit is accepting that sometimes what you think you saw doesn't > > > match what people around you think they saw. That happens even when > > > emotions aren't running high, so to be able to do that at a crucial > > > time under real pressure does deserve extra credit. > > > > > It's true that we don't all see things the same way, which is why we > > have to be able to discuss it afterwards. You have to call it exactly as > > you see it, and if you find that everyone disagrees, you might have a > > rethink. I just really don't like the wording of that definition. > > 'Giving' an advantage to the opposition implies to me that I was > > persuaded to withdraw a call not because I was persuaded it was wrong, > > but for some other reason. That's not spirit. > > > > If I'm unsure, I can be persuaded by someone with a better view. That's > > part of the subjective nature of the situation. But 'giving' the > > opposition something, when I'm sure it was/wasn't a foul, is not to be > > applauded. > > > > I think there's a discussion to be had about how we view spirit - the > > fact that we offer a prize to the best spirited team is taken by some > > people to imply that you can display really great spirit, over and above > > that enshrined in the rules. I don't think this is true - the rules > > require /perfect/ spirit, and though teams can never achieve that in the > > real world, that's what we're aiming for. It's all about trying to live > > up to an ideal. > > > > The difference is relevant in that a close game gives you the > > opportunity to /show/ good spirit that isn't offered by an easy victory. > > If we think 'great' spirit can be shown, then it's easy to see why close > > matches can produce higher spirit scores as in this 6-point system. But > > if we think a spirit score is a measure of how far we fall short of an > > ideal, then the fact that we weren't tested because the game wasn't > > tight is irrelevant; if we do nothing wrong we get the highest score. > > > > B > > __________________________________________________ > > BritDisc mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc > > Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed > > > __________________________________________________ > BritDisc mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc > Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed > __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed
