Yes. But there is the question of how easy it is to "navigate" to those
positions. can you reliably get to those positions against a bot and win
from their ignorance?
I have my doubts.

(written by someone who spend a very long time trying to train a net for
backgames, and failed).

-Joseph


On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 at 08:21, Timothy Y. Chow <[email protected]>
wrote:

> On Sat, 7 Dec 2019, Nikos Papachristou wrote:
> > The moral: If one needs to experience the full power of the bg bots one
> > needs to change the default settings which are configured for the
> > average user. Whatever errors bots occasionally make at their
> > evaluations, they make up by searching deeper.
>
> I agree that changing the default settings helps, but your second
> statement is wildly optimistic.  You got lucky in this one particular
> position, but I can easily produce many positions where the bots are
> obviously confused no matter what search depth or move filter or rollout
> setting you use.  The easiest examples concern superbackgames and snake
> rolling.  Put five black checkers on each of the 6pt, 4pt, 2pt of black's
> home board, and put five white checkers on each of the 5pt, 3pt, and 1pt
> of black's home board (so it's a "superbackgame").  Now ask for the cube
> action.  Whatever setting you use, you'll get nonsense.
>
> Or try putting 2 white checkers on each of black's 1pt, 2pt, 3pt, 4pt,
> 5pt, 6pt, and 3 white checkers on black's 7pt.  Put two black checkers
> somewhere else on the board.  Now sit back and laugh as you watch the bot
> try to roll white's prime around the board.
>
> Tim
>
>

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