Could be teeth... I've had my fingers in there often enough feeling for 
bumps and haven't felt any, but maybe they're just starting??? Last night 
was a bit better - he was up after 5 hours and then again after another 5... 
  then wouldn't go back to sleep but is napping now - at 9:30 am!  HA!  I 
think his bad night was mostly due to a 4 hour afternoon nap yesterday... I 
had to wake him to go and get his older brother from daycare...  So then I 
think he got confused about which is night and which is day... Sigh...  
Shouldn't it be obvious?  But I will keep my eyes (and fingers) on the teeth 
possibility...  He is drooling like no tomorrow and he chews on his hands 
enough...

How did things go with Katy and the psychologist appointment?
:-) Lisa


>From: Samantha Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "canada" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "canada" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: [canada] Re: Katy-I don't know what to do!!!
>Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:23:36 -0700
>
>Hey Lisa,
>
>Do you think its teeth for your 4 1/2 month old?  I used to rub some of 
>that
>baby anbesol on Katy's gums at night before whe went to bed.  It really
>seemed to help her sleep.  Although she didn't sleep through the night 
>until
>she was 6 months old.
>
>Its funny.  If anyone had told me the details of raising children I 
>probably
>wouldn't have had any.  But they are so rewarding (most of the time).  If
>you get a good night sleep you seem to be able to deal with it much better.
>I hope that your little one allows you to get some sleep =-)
>
>I guess we need to teach our little ones to learn the signs of hunger.  
>I've
>started asking Katy how her tummy feels.  Does it feel grumbly like its
>growling for something to eat?
>
>Good Luck!  Hope you sleep better tonight =-)
>Sam
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Lisa Sansom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:22 AM
>To: canada
>Subject: [canada] Re: Katy-I don't know what to do!!!
>
>
>
>Just take a deep breath and remind yourself that Katy's behaviour is no
>reflection on you or your parenting.  Katy, little though she is, is her 
>own
>
>person.  And how she behaves is up to her.  My son at 2 1/2 can't tell when
>he's hungry either - I wonder when that ability kicks in?  We have also 
>just
>
>learned to recognize the signals - the grumpiness, etc.  He doesn't even 
>ask
>
>for food - we have to offer it and then he's OK to eat...  Weird isn't it
>that recognizing hunger wouldn't be more innate...
>
>Of course, after my 4 1/2 month old was up FOUR times last night, I'm also
>thinking it's weird that we have to "teach" our babies to sleep.  You'd
>think that something so crucial to growth and regular day to day 
>functioning
>
>would be more natural...
>
>:-) Lisa
>
>
> >From: Samantha Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: "canada" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "canada" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: [canada] Re: Katy-I don't know what to do!!!
> >Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 15:54:57 -0700
> >
> >Thanks Julia,
> >
> >Yes I agree we need to find a teenage babysitter so that dh and I can at
> >least go out together once in a while.
> >
> >I do really hope that we get control of this soon.  I feel so helpless 
>and
> >mean and I don't like the way it makes me feel.
> >
> >Sam
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Julia Dickinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 1:28 PM
> >To: canada
> >Subject: [canada] Re: Katy-I don't know what to do!!!
> >
> >
> > >   Does Katy act up if she goes to your mom's or if she's left with a
> > > sitter? No (not sure about the sitter cause she never has one
> > > other than family.
> >It might be interesting to see how she does getting a babysitter in. See
> >how
> >she acts get some feedback from the sitter. Know any teenage girls you
> >could
> >have over?
> >
> >Well it certainly sounds like you're doing your best for Katy. I hope 
>that
> >things improve soon. Good luck! Julia
> >
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