--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Stede Troisi
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think a XP Union would make more sense. Most
> economists say Unions are bad. I still don't know if
> that is true or not. I don't know if unions could
> survive like they did long past with this global
> economy.
The actual form should probably be more
of a cooperative. Unions, per se, are
basically reactive.
> Funny, that made me think of a author interviewed on
> Lou Dobbs (he doesn't seem to like offshoring) about
> the Global Economy. He states that the global economy
> is bogus and that this has happened many times in the
> past and will fade away again. I must look for that
> book, I like the sound of it :-)
The thing to understand about economics is that
if you have perfect competition, nobody makes
any profits. Profit is made by exploiting some
inequity in the market. If you understand this
one fact, you can cut through an amazing amount
of the BS that passes for "economics" these
days.
John Roth
>
> Stede
>
> --- Victor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > There has been some ranting in this forum about the
> > economic situation of
> > software services.
> > Is there anything we can actually do about it?
> >
> > The software services industry is making quite a
> > bundle out of us. If you
> > cannot beat them, join them. I would like to see a
> > show of hands. How many
> > people would be ready to actively create/join an
> > employee owned
> > not-for-profit corporation. The earnings would be
> > partially invested in
> > expansion, partially in benefits, and what is left
> > distributed to the
> > membership according to some criteria to be
> > developed.
> >
> > We would need a CEO, a CFO, a good lawyer, and an
> > excelent marketing person.
> > The opertion would be based as much as possible on
> > XP principles, like
> > simplicity, opennes, and cooperation.
> >
> > It will be a learning experience, and we will make
> > errors, but we will not
> > be the first ones, and we know that it can be done.
> >
> > Because this is a first call, it's purposly generic.
> > The details will be
> > elaborated by those interested in participating.
> >
> > At this point in time I am only interested in
> > finding out the measure of
> > interest in following up with the idea. If there is
> > enough interest, we can
> > then discuss the details. Yet, I would like to
> > stress that one of the
> > central conditions of success is to find a good
> > marketing person that's
> > comfortable with the idea. As a population (with a
> > few notable exceptions),
> > we developers are known for not being especially
> > good in marketing, or as
> > entrepeneurs. So, this is an aspect that has to be
> > taken very seriously.
> >
> > Victor
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