--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], William Pietri
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 06:57, Stede Troisi wrote:
> > I think a XP Union would make more sense. Most
> > economists say Unions are bad.
>
> I don't know much about what most economists say, but personally, my
> understanding is that the theoretical imbalance a union can address is
> that companies are much bigger than individuals. Because getting fired
> is more painful to an individual than having an employee quit is to a
> company, this can lead to suboptimal deals. With collective action,
> employees can improve the balance of power.
>
> But what you're talking about to me sounds like something different. It
> sounds like trying to build a supply monopoly. I'd expect this to be
> just as sub-optimal as any other monopoly.
In any form of competitive environment,
monopolies can't exist unless there is
either some form of government (or other)
coercion guaranteeing them, or if there
is a sufficiently high economic barrier
to the entry of a new firm.
> Ok, here's where I come back on topic.
>
> It seems to me that XP, in that it promotes team cohesion already serves
> some of the power-balancing functions of a union. I'd love to hear
> others' opinions, but in my experience the XP teams I've worked closely
> with were much better at making their opinions heard to management, and
> would be much more likely to actively support a team member in
> situations where management was being unfair to an employee.
This is basically true *if* you're internal,
and you have relatively sane management.
Much of what we hear on the list does not
sound like reasonably sane management to me.
The situation is quite different if you are
an external vendor.
John Roth
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