"roger_millin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Adrian wrote:
>> That's because, apart from doing the operations in the wrong order
>> which causes a chunk of avoidable walking, you are not seeing the
>> bigger picture. Leaving gates open actually reduces the overall
>> amount of work the boating community does.
>Amazing, but please let us have the benefit of your wisdom by
>explaining what order you think that it should be done in
Crack open the paddle needed to hold the far gates closed the first
time you pass it. (That also makes closing the gates easier, BTW.
Common working days practice).
>> If the next boat at the lock is following you, then whether you or the
>> following boater closes the gates you exit by doesn't matter. The
>> same amount of work is done in total.
>Yep, agreed if everyone changes over to the new system overnight.
Or even if they don't. The same total amount of work is still done.
Again, you aren't seeing the bigger picture.
> doing so is purely selfish under the *presently prevailing
>conditions* and inconveniences the present *majority* of boaters.
No, it doesn't. It conveniences those approaching you, and is neutral
to those behind you (as they can choose to leave the gates open too).
>> And the other boater has had to stop, rather than boat straight into the
>> lock.
>Only if they're solo boating or have to put crew ashore.
Nope. The crew can easily step off in the lock mouth on to the lock
side at the top of the lock as the boat enters the lock. And take a
look at the bottom of (e.g.) a GU lock next time you pass one. There
are steps specially placed so the crew can step off there too as the
boat enters.
>Your arguments are mainly based around the needs of solo
>boaters.
No again. Particularly valid for solos, but also valid for non-solos.
>It seems that two barge owners on this list are definitely
>for your system and many narrowboaters are not.........wonder if
>there's a connection? ;-)
I'm too polite to answer that <g>.
>> Closing gates really does make it worse for everyone on average.
>I do accept your argument under these circumstances:
>1. Perfect maintenance of locks, no leaks, no swinging gates.
>2. Everyone changes to your system overnight.
In fact, both your provisos could be violated and my argument would
still be valid.
>> But your premise is false. They actually don't work well. They are
>> tedious, inefficient, dangerous, and encourage poor maintenance.
>Staggering that so many of us are wrong and yet only the AS view is
>correct.
Something to do with having been brainwashed by BW, or overly awed by
authority, perhaps.
And it is clearly not only I who has that view.
>Not being prepared to accept one iota of anyone's argument
>to the contrary smacks of arrogance or omnipotence.
No, once more. I simply insist that another's argument be correct
before I accept it.
>> The more boaters leave 'em open, the more other boaters will be
>> encouraged to, and the sooner the rule will be abandoned.
>Keep hoping for the utopian dream of perfection in maintenance then.
I always hope for utopia, and not just on the waterways..
Adrian
Adrian Stott
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