On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 1:08 AM, Anjana Fernando <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Azeez, > > I think it actually does have the ability to go forward and back :) .. > And, sorry if I've overlooked some part, but where do we take you out > of the wizard? .. > In my experience DSS works fine if I know how to use the product and execute the normal flow. Even it works fine with editing the service. So basically it can be used for any reasonably complex data service. > > And, also we actually have two ways of creating data services now. It > will be basically for two modes of operation. The new functionality is > the DB->DS generation. Here, when you point to a database it > automatically creates the basic CRUD operations of the selected > tables, and make a data service out of it. This can be seen as a "data > first" approach, where we start by the data and create the data > service, and then, we edit the data service to our needs. We hope to > improve this more to include other types of data sources and so on. > > Then there maybe the need for some users to have that fine grained > control from the very start, which data sources to create, what are > the exact data service queries and so on. This is where the already > existing typical wizard comes into play. Because, most of the time, > users will ultimately want to create their own custom queries, and the > existing wizard will provide that. In the upcoming release, you will > seen many new improvements for this typical wizard to make it more > easy to do complex tasks. > This is something I have mentioned earlier as well. I am not sure any one have paid a real attention to it. The problem with current DSS is that it try to provide every thing from one wizard. Rather you can have different set of menus like data first, data service, contract first etc .. as a top menu and show only the relevant things at the wizard which make less confuse to the user. In CEP also we had a wizard like structure. But what we found there was it does not show the big picture to the user and he is lost in going forward and back word. If you can break down the DSS functionalities in terms of use cases then you can have more compact views with each use cases rather than long wizards. thanks, Amila. > > If you compare DSS to some other large data integration products which > has a richer UI, you will notice that DSS have the most simple UI, > which provides the most functionality/customisability. Hope you wont > see this as me giving excuses for not making the current UI better :), > rather, we will definitely look into your ideas and consider the > improvements. > > Thanks and Regards, > Anjana. > > On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 12:24 AM, Afkham Azeez <[email protected]> wrote: > > When it comes to a wizard, there is an expected flow. You should be able > to > > move forward or back, and screen that take you out of the wizard should > be > > avoided. Those are something you should avoid according to the wizard > > paradigm. If you go through the DS wizard, it is obvious to the > developers > > who wrote it, not to the users. One way in which people improve usability > is > > give a set of things to be done by new users, and watch what they do. > > Perhaps you guys can watch me doing something and learn from the mistakes > I > > make. > > Thanks > > Azeez > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Anjana Fernando <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> Hi Azeez, > >> > >> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Afkham Azeez <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > The wizard is not really a wizard since it does not necessarily follow > a > >> > flow. Also, if you do things in the wrong order, bad things happen & > >> > NPEs > >> > fly. These things normally happen at the wrong time; during demos :) > >> > >> I do agree on the UI issues, the DSS UI is very fragile, and we've > >> been planning on rewriting the DSS UI soon. As in, some validations > >> are missing I guess, for instance, if you just enter an url of a > >> specific page by hand - something in the middle of the wizard, most > >> probably it'll give some unexpected errors. > >> > >> But, when you said, 'not following a flow', can you elaborate on that > >> a bit more? .. Because, I was having the impression, the current DS > >> wizard is pretty simple in a way that, it follows the below flow for > >> the normal service creation. > >> > >> Start Service Creation -> Create Data Source(s) -> Create Queries -> > >> Create Operation(s) / Resource(s). > >> > >> What kind of a flow are you suggesting? .. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Anjana. > >> > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Afkham Azeez > >> > Senior Software Architect & Senior Manager; WSO2, Inc.; > http://wso2.com, > >> > > >> > Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/ > >> > email: [email protected] cell: +94 77 3320919 > >> > blog: http://blog.afkham.org > >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez > >> > linked-in: http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez > >> > > >> > Lean . Enterprise . 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