Hi Azeez, On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Afkham Azeez <[email protected]> wrote: > Can we please hold back the DS release? The DS wizard is not there yet, and > we can improve this with a little bit more effort.
We are planning the release for end of Feb, when will you be back in SL ? .. Also in the meanwhile, we would appreciate if you can give some general pointers on the areas of the wizard that can be improved. Cheers, Anjana. > Thanks > Azeez > On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Afkham Azeez <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I was thinking about this, and it occurred to me that showing some of the >> screens inline (instead of moving to a different page) within a div using >> Javascript magic should greatly enhance the user experience. >> >> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 1:05 AM, Anjana Fernando <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Amila, >>> >>> Thanks for the comments, and sorry for the late reply. >>> >>> > This is something I have mentioned earlier as well. I am not sure any >>> > one >>> > have paid a real attention to it. >>> > >>> > The problem with current DSS is that it try to provide every thing from >>> > one >>> > wizard. Rather you can have >>> > different set of menus like data first, data service, contract first >>> > etc .. >>> > as a top menu and show only the relevant >>> > things at the wizard which make less confuse to the user. >>> >>> Yes, we have been paying attention to your ideas very much :) .. And >>> this was also suggested by Sumedha sometime back, and at the moment, >>> we do have separate menus for the classical data services wizard, the >>> contract first approach, and the data first approach, and also >>> scheduled tasks for data services, these functionalities are clearly >>> broken down. And our next aim is to add more functionalities specially >>> for the data first and the contract first approaches to be used to >>> rapidly create data services based on some predefined use cases. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Anjana. >>> >>> > >>> > In CEP also we had a wizard like structure. But what we found there was >>> > it >>> > does not show the big picture to the user and >>> > he is lost in going forward and back word. If you can break down the >>> > DSS >>> > functionalities in terms of use cases then you can have more compact >>> > views >>> > with each use cases rather than long wizards. >>> > >>> > thanks, >>> > Amila. >>> >> >>> >> If you compare DSS to some other large data integration products which >>> >> has a richer UI, you will notice that DSS have the most simple UI, >>> >> which provides the most functionality/customisability. Hope you wont >>> >> see this as me giving excuses for not making the current UI better :), >>> >> rather, we will definitely look into your ideas and consider the >>> >> improvements. >>> >> >>> >> Thanks and Regards, >>> >> Anjana. >>> >> >>> >> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 12:24 AM, Afkham Azeez <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> > When it comes to a wizard, there is an expected flow. You should be >>> >> > able >>> >> > to >>> >> > move forward or back, and screen that take you out of the wizard >>> >> > should >>> >> > be >>> >> > avoided. Those are something you should avoid according to the >>> >> > wizard >>> >> > paradigm. If you go through the DS wizard, it is obvious to the >>> >> > developers >>> >> > who wrote it, not to the users. One way in which people improve >>> >> > usability is >>> >> > give a set of things to be done by new users, and watch what they >>> >> > do. >>> >> > Perhaps you guys can watch me doing something and learn from the >>> >> > mistakes I >>> >> > make. >>> >> > Thanks >>> >> > Azeez >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Anjana Fernando <[email protected]> >>> >> > wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Hi Azeez, >>> >> >> >>> >> >> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Afkham Azeez <[email protected]> >>> >> >> wrote: >>> >> >> > The wizard is not really a wizard since it does not necessarily >>> >> >> > follow a >>> >> >> > flow. Also, if you do things in the wrong order, bad things >>> >> >> > happen & >>> >> >> > NPEs >>> >> >> > fly. These things normally happen at the wrong time; during demos >>> >> >> > :) >>> >> >> >>> >> >> I do agree on the UI issues, the DSS UI is very fragile, and we've >>> >> >> been planning on rewriting the DSS UI soon. As in, some validations >>> >> >> are missing I guess, for instance, if you just enter an url of a >>> >> >> specific page by hand - something in the middle of the wizard, most >>> >> >> probably it'll give some unexpected errors. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> But, when you said, 'not following a flow', can you elaborate on >>> >> >> that >>> >> >> a bit more? .. Because, I was having the impression, the current DS >>> >> >> wizard is pretty simple in a way that, it follows the below flow >>> >> >> for >>> >> >> the normal service creation. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Start Service Creation -> Create Data Source(s) -> Create Queries >>> >> >> -> >>> >> >> Create Operation(s) / Resource(s). >>> >> >> >>> >> >> What kind of a flow are you suggesting? .. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Cheers, >>> >> >> Anjana. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > -- >>> >> >> > Afkham Azeez >>> >> >> > Senior Software Architect & Senior Manager; WSO2, Inc.; >>> >> >> > http://wso2.com, >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/ >>> >> >> > email: [email protected] cell: +94 77 3320919 >>> >> >> > blog: http://blog.afkham.org >>> >> >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez >>> >> >> > linked-in: http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > Lean . Enterprise . 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