Can we please hold back the DS release? The DS wizard is not there yet, and we can improve this with a little bit more effort.
Thanks Azeez On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Afkham Azeez <[email protected]> wrote: > I was thinking about this, and it occurred to me that showing some of the > screens inline (instead of moving to a different page) within a div using > Javascript magic should greatly enhance the user experience. > > > On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 1:05 AM, Anjana Fernando <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Amila, >> >> Thanks for the comments, and sorry for the late reply. >> >> > This is something I have mentioned earlier as well. I am not sure any >> one >> > have paid a real attention to it. >> > >> > The problem with current DSS is that it try to provide every thing from >> one >> > wizard. Rather you can have >> > different set of menus like data first, data service, contract first etc >> .. >> > as a top menu and show only the relevant >> > things at the wizard which make less confuse to the user. >> >> Yes, we have been paying attention to your ideas very much :) .. And >> this was also suggested by Sumedha sometime back, and at the moment, >> we do have separate menus for the classical data services wizard, the >> contract first approach, and the data first approach, and also >> scheduled tasks for data services, these functionalities are clearly >> broken down. And our next aim is to add more functionalities specially >> for the data first and the contract first approaches to be used to >> rapidly create data services based on some predefined use cases. >> >> Cheers, >> Anjana. >> >> > >> > In CEP also we had a wizard like structure. But what we found there was >> it >> > does not show the big picture to the user and >> > he is lost in going forward and back word. If you can break down the DSS >> > functionalities in terms of use cases then you can have more compact >> views >> > with each use cases rather than long wizards. >> > >> > thanks, >> > Amila. >> >> >> >> If you compare DSS to some other large data integration products which >> >> has a richer UI, you will notice that DSS have the most simple UI, >> >> which provides the most functionality/customisability. Hope you wont >> >> see this as me giving excuses for not making the current UI better :), >> >> rather, we will definitely look into your ideas and consider the >> >> improvements. >> >> >> >> Thanks and Regards, >> >> Anjana. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 12:24 AM, Afkham Azeez <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > When it comes to a wizard, there is an expected flow. You should be >> able >> >> > to >> >> > move forward or back, and screen that take you out of the wizard >> should >> >> > be >> >> > avoided. Those are something you should avoid according to the wizard >> >> > paradigm. If you go through the DS wizard, it is obvious to the >> >> > developers >> >> > who wrote it, not to the users. One way in which people improve >> >> > usability is >> >> > give a set of things to be done by new users, and watch what they do. >> >> > Perhaps you guys can watch me doing something and learn from the >> >> > mistakes I >> >> > make. >> >> > Thanks >> >> > Azeez >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Anjana Fernando <[email protected]> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Azeez, >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Afkham Azeez <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> > The wizard is not really a wizard since it does not necessarily >> >> >> > follow a >> >> >> > flow. Also, if you do things in the wrong order, bad things happen >> & >> >> >> > NPEs >> >> >> > fly. These things normally happen at the wrong time; during demos >> :) >> >> >> >> >> >> I do agree on the UI issues, the DSS UI is very fragile, and we've >> >> >> been planning on rewriting the DSS UI soon. As in, some validations >> >> >> are missing I guess, for instance, if you just enter an url of a >> >> >> specific page by hand - something in the middle of the wizard, most >> >> >> probably it'll give some unexpected errors. >> >> >> >> >> >> But, when you said, 'not following a flow', can you elaborate on >> that >> >> >> a bit more? .. Because, I was having the impression, the current DS >> >> >> wizard is pretty simple in a way that, it follows the below flow for >> >> >> the normal service creation. >> >> >> >> >> >> Start Service Creation -> Create Data Source(s) -> Create Queries -> >> >> >> Create Operation(s) / Resource(s). >> >> >> >> >> >> What kind of a flow are you suggesting? .. >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> Anjana. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > -- >> >> >> > Afkham Azeez >> >> >> > Senior Software Architect & Senior Manager; WSO2, Inc.; >> >> >> > http://wso2.com, >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/ >> >> >> > email: [email protected] cell: +94 77 3320919 >> >> >> > blog: http://blog.afkham.org >> >> >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez >> >> >> > linked-in: http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Lean . Enterprise . 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