Hi
Claudio et al.
«As I can see, as part of the project, is that we are talking over the same
stuffs, still feb 2007» - Claudio
No! You're wrong. We are talking about the same stuff since 2003. At least I
am.
Also, I disagree with this the way I understood it:
«The problem with a Framework, as I see it, is that you will have to do it
all, i.e create the CORE, the plugin API, etc. This will be just exchange
Care2x existing framework by a more consistent framework. It will not speed
the development and will not have the specific community around.»
The CORE (module) should be minimal and very similar to what you can see
done with Drupal's Organic Groups. Also, if using Drupal as the base system
most of the API is already done, Ajax is part of the system, load balancing
is also part of the system, inteligent caching is also part of the system,
workflow is also part of the system, i18n and l10n idem, usability ibidem, etc,
etc, etc <http://lvb.net/item/6026>.
Related to the second part of the above text I do agree with the person who
said it.
But I still think that the decision model and the legal structure is the
issue here and not the coding part.
« Take a look at Typo3 and Drupal associations for instance. But there
are many other legal
models to consider.
I could not explain how they are doing it. But actually it is always
nice to read. J
I know both Drupal Association and Typo3 Association :)»
This are examples of how the diferent teams look at the code:
CARE 2X Integrated Information System for Hospitals and Health Care
Organizations and Services
Care 2002, Care2x, Copyright (C) 2002,2003,2004,2005,2006 Elpidio Latorilla
All Drupal code is Copyright 2001 - 2008 by the original authors.
Drupal is a registered trademark of Dries Buytaert.
http://association.typo3.org/about/t3a-faq/
Those are three diferent legal and decision models.
Those are the ones that make things real move on or not.
In common the last two have a collegiate decision model and a association
type legal structure and they know that to push a project from a certain
point forward funds and a legal entity are required.
The first one doesn't think that this is needed for quite a long time.
«Please decide somethink» - Claudio
Your question is wrongly done.
Although we* are the "project administrators" in reality you should have
said: «Elpídio, decide something» since he his the only one that decides
stuff on the project, as you well know.
I'm still waiting for an answer to a question I made to Elpidio regarding
the new website.
I started a discussion just with the other "admins" sometime ago about all
this stuff and only Robert really replied. Nothing result on this
"discussion".
I'm not quiting Care2x but my current position regarding it is:
1. I will still help it as much as I can -- giving ideas, promoting it
and so forth -- but without any coding efforts hence I don't agree with the
direction it goes for too much time now;
2. If I get funds to work on the project I will start porting Care2x
to Care3G based on the model and concept I discussed with several people
already, i.e. "Everything is a module". And Drupal will be the
framework choosen hence I don't want or need to code everything from
scratch;
3. If we get a concensus on the legal and decision model to support
Care2x/3G development I'll also pass the copyright of my work to that
structure.
Have a nice weekend.
Best regards,
Lopo
Note *: Claudio G. Torbinio, Kaloyan Raev, Elpidio Latorilla, Noel Villamor,
Robert Meggle and me
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 01:11:29 +0100
> From: "Dott Claudio G. Torbinio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Care2002-developers] Framework?
> To: care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> Cc: noel villamor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Elpidio Latorilla
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Robert Meggle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >,
> Kaloyan Raev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi carers
> As i can see, as part of the project, is that we are talking over the
> same stuffs, still feb 2007
> The same talking, te same FW talking, the same CMS talking...
> There is somethink does not work. In one year i can rewrite code, port
> the project, make 1000 more activityes....
> But only talk about... is a poor result.
> Now someone can agree with me how hard is decide...
> By my side i can agree or not with decision, but i am always, still,
> ever hard working.
> Please decide somethink
> BR
> Claudio G. Torbinio
> > Hi,
> >
> > Just the links for the projects I mentioned earlier:
> >
> > Managing News: http://www.managingnews.com/ (the site is working)
> > Drigg: http://www.drigg-code.org (and FSDaily.com)
> >
> > Another project that is/was made with Drupal as its base is
> > http://www.lulu.com/.
> > Today it uses more things like Ruby and Python and I don't know if
> > they steak with Drupal but...
> >
> > If you go to http://groups.drupal.org/ you
> > could see how much areas are people talking and working on.
> > Take a peek at http://www.drupalbook.com/ to see a little more about it.
> >
> > This is an interesting group: http://groups.drupal.org/enterprise
> > This site as a list of more than 2000 sites made with Drupal:
> > http://www.drupalsites.net/
> >
> > The problem with a Framework, as I see it, is that you will have to do
> > it all, i.e create the CORE, the plugin API, etc. This will be just
> > exchange Care2x existing framework by a more consistent framework. It
> > will not speed the development and will not have
> > the specific community around.
> >
> > Take a look at Typo3 and Drupal associations for instance. But there
> are many other legal
> > models to consider.
> >
> >
> >
> > I could not explain how they are doing it. But actually it is
> > always nice to read. J
> >
> >
> > I know both Drupal Association and Typo3 Association :)
> >
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> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:52:11 +0000
> From: "Tim Schofield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Care2002-developers] Framework?
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> Cc: noel villamor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Elpidio Latorilla
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Robert Meggle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >,
> Kaloyan Raev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Message-ID:
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Hi, Just though I would put my two penneth into this discussion. I
> have been following this mailing list for a while now, and feel a
> little bit frustrated with this project. It seems to me that care2k
> has become a reasonable product by v2.5, and is on the way to becoming
> a good product.
>
> Then it seems it was decided to scrap all this good work and rewrite
> it from scratch. Why? It seems to me that the way forward is one of
> continuous improvement to the base product we have.
>
> It also seems to me that the project has become so wrapped up in the
> tools that it wants to use, that it has forgotten what its purpose
> was. That is to produce good open source software for use in
> hospitals.
>
> My advice is to take what we have that is working (ie v2.5), look for
> a way to improve it, and do that. When that is done, look for another
> way to improve it, and do that.
>
> Anyway, enough from me, just let me finish by saying _please_ dont let
> this project die, by spending years deliberating over this framework,
> or that set of tools etc
>
> Thanks
> Tim
>
>
> On 11/02/2008, Dott Claudio G. Torbinio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi carers
> > As i can see, as part of the project, is that we are talking over the
> > same stuffs, still feb 2007
> > The same talking, te same FW talking, the same CMS talking...
> > There is somethink does not work. In one year i can rewrite code, port
> > the project, make 1000 more activityes....
> > But only talk about... is a poor result.
> > Now someone can agree with me how hard is decide...
> > By my side i can agree or not with decision, but i am always, still,
> > ever hard working.
> > Please decide somethink
> > BR
> > Claudio G. Torbinio
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:18:26 +0100
> From: Gjergj Sheldija <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Care2002-developers] Framework?
> To: care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi,
>
> what you say about the improvements in care2x are right from a certain
> point of view.
> but, for me, as I see it, is very difficult to add all the features I'll
> wish.
> at least with this codebase.
> if you calculate a bit what has been added to the actual project in this
> year,
> you'll notice that it isn't very much. not because there aren't good
> programmer here,
> but because the actual codebase is very difficult to handle : no coding
> standards, old
> architecture, to much useless code and a lot of other small things.
>
> as, for me there are only to possible ways of updating care2x.
> first, rewrite it all from scratch
> second, transform the code towards a more modern architecture.
> wich is what I'm doing actually.
>
> regards
>
> gjergji
>
> Tim Schofield wrote:
> > Hi, Just though I would put my two penneth into this discussion. I
> > have been following this mailing list for a while now, and feel a
> > little bit frustrated with this project. It seems to me that care2k
> > has become a reasonable product by v2.5, and is on the way to becoming
> > a good product.
> >
> > Then it seems it was decided to scrap all this good work and rewrite
> > it from scratch. Why? It seems to me that the way forward is one of
> > continuous improvement to the base product we have.
> >
> > It also seems to me that the project has become so wrapped up in the
> > tools that it wants to use, that it has forgotten what its purpose
> > was. That is to produce good open source software for use in
> > hospitals.
> >
> > My advice is to take what we have that is working (ie v2.5), look for
> > a way to improve it, and do that. When that is done, look for another
> > way to improve it, and do that.
> >
> > Anyway, enough from me, just let me finish by saying _please_ dont let
> > this project die, by spending years deliberating over this framework,
> > or that set of tools etc
> >
> > Thanks
> > Tim
> >
> >
> > On 11/02/2008, Dott Claudio G. Torbinio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi carers
> >> As i can see, as part of the project, is that we are talking over the
> >> same stuffs, still feb 2007
> >> The same talking, te same FW talking, the same CMS talking...
> >> There is somethink does not work. In one year i can rewrite code, port
> >> the project, make 1000 more activityes....
> >> But only talk about... is a poor result.
> >> Now someone can agree with me how hard is decide...
> >> By my side i can agree or not with decision, but i am always, still,
> >> ever hard working.
> >> Please decide somethink
> >> BR
> >> Claudio G. Torbinio
> >>
> >
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:22:34 +0100
> From: Gjergj Sheldija <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [Care2002-developers] Fix to make care2x work with php 5.x
> To: care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
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> hi all,
>
> i managed to get care2x work with php 5.2.2.
> here is what to do :
>
> file : include/inc_environment_global.php
> line 82 :
> change from : ini_set('session.save_handler','user'); to
> ini_set('session.save_handler','files');
>
> line 102 :
> change from :
> include_once($root_path.'classes/adodb/session/adodb-session.php');
> to : //
> include_once($root_path.'classes/adodb/session/adodb-session.php');
>
> all this supposing that you have enabled session in your php.ini.
>
> regards
> gjergji
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:59:50 +0100
> From: "Robert Meggle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Care2002-developers] Fix to make care2x work with php
> 5.x
> To: <care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi Gjergj,
>
> Hey, thanks again for that nice work. I will check that out this week
> carefully.
>
> Many thanks for that kind of prominent work.
>
> Robert
>
>
> > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:care2002-
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Gjergj Sheldija
> > Gesendet: Montag, 11. Februar 2008 16:23
> > An: care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Betreff: [Care2002-developers] Fix to make care2x work with php 5.x
> >
> > hi all,
> >
> > i managed to get care2x work with php 5.2.2.
> > here is what to do :
> >
> > file : include/inc_environment_global.php
> > line 82 :
> > change from : ini_set('session.save_handler','user'); to
> > ini_set('session.save_handler','files');
> >
> > line 102 :
> > change from :
> > include_once($root_path.'classes/adodb/session/adodb-session.php');
> > to : //
> > include_once($root_path.'classes/adodb/session/adodb-session.php');
> >
> > all this supposing that you have enabled session in your php.ini.
> >
> > regards
> > gjergji
> >
> >
> >
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