I don't see it as a waste of money, I actually see it as an investment into the Castle Project future. I'm willing to spend the money because I've never been disappointed with any of JetBrains products, and I think the work they've done on YouTrack is very innovative and that makes it a really nice product to use on daily basis.
In regards to the license, what name do I use ? "Castle Project" ? Cheers John On Jan 15, 11:01 pm, Henry Conceição <[email protected]> wrote: > I was reluctant to install a new tool to serve as issue tracker. Imho, > a hosted solution is much simpler (from the maintenance standpoint). I > can install YouTrack or whatever tool you guys pick on our server > without problemas. > > Btw, it's a waste to buy a license for a issue tracker for castle > imho. We can get a Jira license for free, or even a hosted version for > free... I just don't see a reason to someone spend one huindred bucks > on it. But anyway, people are free to spend their money on whatever > they want. > > Cheers, > Henry Conceição > > 2010/1/15 Krzysztof Koźmic <[email protected]>: > > > +1 for YouTrack. > > > What about hosting it? Henry mentioned that Stronghold is rather reluctant > > to do it. Do we have any good alternative? > > > Krzysztof > > > On 2010-01-15 06:25, Ayende Rahien wrote: > > > +1 from me, and my company can donate that as well > > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 6:49 AM, John Simons <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > >> Guys, > > >> I've enquired about YouTrack not supporting OSS licenses and this is > >> what I got back from them: > >> "Hi John, > > >> The point is that for the moment YouTrack uses commercial Berkley > >> database. > >> It's license agreement does not allow us to donate our product for > >> free. > > >> We are working hard on our own DB, and as soon as we make and switch > >> to it, > >> we will definitely start OS license program for YouTrack. This should > >> happen > >> within a year. > > >> Since we do want to keep supporting projects like yours, we can > >> currently > >> suggest you a big discount for YouTrack. The minimal sum that we can > >> offer > >> is $40 for the Professional Edition, and $100 for the Enterprise. > >> Please let > >> me know if this is interesting for you, and I will instruct you on how > >> to > >> proceed. > > >> Hope for your understanding, and thank you for using our tools. > > >> Best regards, > > >> Victoria Dumova, > >> OS Support Program Manager > >> JetBrains, Inc" > > >> I'm willing to donate $100 to Castle for an Enterprise version of > >> YouTrack. > >> So should I go ahead and purchase a license, what do u guys think? > > >> Cheers > >> John > > >> On Jan 12, 9:32 pm, Ken Egozi <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > back then it was *very* simplistic. the lighthouseapp system is much > >> > more > >> > feature rich, yet super simple to use. > >> > instead of doing the whole SubProjects/Modules/Components thing, where > >> > users > >> > are always baffled with and end up opening tickets in the wrong places, > >> > it > >> > uses Tag based taxonomy, which is much easier to grasp and navigate. > > >> > 2010/1/12 Krzysztof Koźmic (2) <[email protected]> > > >> > > Ken, > > >> > > lighthouseapp looks good at first sight. > >> > > and while you touched upon GitHub - what about its built-in issue > >> > > tracking system? Is it any good? > > >> > > On 12 Sty, 11:20, Ken Egozi <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > we do have another option - lighthouseapp has a free plan for OSS. > >> > > > the API is great, and if we do consider github seriously, they both > >> > > > play > >> > > > very nicely together. > > >> > > > I've used lighthouseapp before on commercial projects and it was > >> > > > very > >> > > > useful. > > >> > > > 2010/1/12 Roelof Blom <[email protected]> > > >> > > > > According to the last two messages in this thread< > >> > >http://forums.atlassian.com/thread.jspa?threadID=30191&tstart=0>it is > >> > > available for free to open source projects, > >> > > > > *if* the project is deemed valuable for sponsoring. As one of the > >> > > largest > >> > > > > OSS projects in .NET I think we stand a pretty good chance. So > >> > > > > let's > >> > > just > >> > > > > wait on their response. > > >> > > > > -- Roelof. > > >> > > > > 2010/1/12 Krzysztof Koźmic (2) <[email protected]> > > >> > > > >> Does OSS license include hosting or we'd have to pay for that? > > >> > > > >> On 12 Sty, 10:54, Roelof Blom <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > >> > Like Henry stated sometime ago the future for Donjon's > >> > > > >> > development > >> > > is > >> > > > >> very > >> > > > >> > unclear. > >> > > > >> > The fact that JIRA is also much more mature, feature rich, in > >> > > > >> > active > >> > > > >> > development *and* is available on a hosted platform (this will > >> > > > >> > save > >> > > > >> Castle > >> > > > >> > Stronghold time and money) I think the decision between > >> > > 'alternatives' > >> > > > >> is > >> > > > >> > pretty easy. > > >> > > > >> > Perhaps we should focus on how to get Donjon's data into JIRA: > > >> > > > >> >>http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/JIRA/Migrating+from+Other+Iss. > >> > > .. > > >> > > > >> > < > > >> > > >http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/JIRA/Migrating+from+Other+Iss...> > >> > > > >> > Cheers, > >> > > > >> > Roelof. > > >> > > > >> > 2010/1/12 Krzysztof Koźmic (2) <[email protected]> > > >> > > > >> > > Since Donjon has some serious issues at this point, I'd vote > >> > > > >> > > for > >> > > JIRA > >> > > > >> > > anyway. > > >> > > > >> > > On 12 Sty, 10:22, Markus Zywitza <[email protected]> > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > So we're back at the beginning, having the same > >> > > > >> > > > alternatives as > >> > > > >> before: > >> > > > >> > > > 1) Castle Stronghold maintains Donjon again > >> > > > >> > > > 2) Castle Stronghold open sources Donjon as Castle demo app > >> > > > >> > > > and > >> > > we > >> > > > >> > > maintain it. > >> > > > >> > > > 3) We use JIRA instead. > > >> > > > >> > > > -Markus > > >> > > > >> > > > 2010/1/12 Roelof Blom <[email protected]>: > > >> > > > >> > > > > Hi John, > >> > > > >> > > > > Below is the response from Victoria Dumova, their program > >> > > manager > >> > > > >> for > >> > > > >> > > OSS, > >> > > > >> > > > > it's pretty clear. > >> > > > >> > > > > Cheers, > >> > > > >> > > > > Roelof. > > >> > > > >> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >> > > > >> > > > > From: <[email protected]> > >> > > > >> > > > > Date: Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:03 PM > >> > > > >> > > > > Subject: RE: YouTrack for Castle OSS project > >> > > > >> > > > > To: Roelof Blom <[email protected]> > >> > > > >> > > > > Cc: Jana Charif <[email protected]>, Ilia Dumov > >> > > > >> > > > > <[email protected]> > > >> > > > >> > > > > Hi Roelof, > > >> > > > >> > > > > I'm pleased to hear that you use and benefit from our > >> > > > >> > > > > products > >> > > in > >> > > > >> your > >> > > > >> > > > > software development work! > > >> > > > >> > > > > Unfortunately, we do not have Open Source license program > >> > > > >> > > > > for > >> > > > >> YouTrack. > > >> > > > >> > > > > Best regards, > > >> > > > >> > > > > Victoria Dumova, > > >> > > > >> > > > > OS Support Program Manager > > >> > > > >> > > > > JetBrains, Inc > > >> > > > >> > > > >http://www.jetbrains.com > > >> > > > >> > > > > "Develop with pleasure" > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 12:48 AM, John Simons < > >> > > > >> > > [email protected]> > >> > > > >> > > > > wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > > >> That is weird, according to the YouTrack license ( > >> > > > >> > > > >>http://www.jetbrains.com/youtrack/buy/license.html), they > >> > > > >> > > > >> do > >> > > > >> support > >> > > > >> > > > >> oss licenses. > >> > > > >> > > > >> And we should be able to qualify for an oss license. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Cheers > >> > > > >> > > > >> John > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Jan 12, 9:50 am, Roelof Blom <[email protected]> > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > >> > I've contacted them and they have not open source > >> > > > >> > > > >> > license > >> > > for > >> > > > >> > > YouTrack. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > -- Roelof. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:39 PM, John Simons > >> > > > >> > > > >> > <[email protected]>wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > How about a YouTrack license from JetBrains? > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Jan 12, 9:37 am, Roelof Blom > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > <[email protected]> > >> > > > >> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Hi, > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > I've contacted Atlassian about an open source > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > license > >> > > for > >> > > > >> JIRA. > >> > > > >> > > Also > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > a > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > very > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > good product, IMHO, and very familiar to lots of > >> > > people. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > To save Henry lots of maintenance/admin work I > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > applied > >> > > for > >> > > > >> JIRA > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Studio<http://www.atlassian.com/studio/>, > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > basically all of their tools in a hosted > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > environment. > >> > > It > >> > > > >> will > >> > > > >> > > take > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > about > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > 2 > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > weeks to process the application. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- Roelof. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > You received this message because you are subscribed > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > to > >> > > the > >> > > > >> Google > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Groups > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > "Castle Project Development List" group. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > To post to this group, send email to > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > [email protected] > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > . > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > [email protected]<castle-project-devel%[email protected]> > > >> > > <castle-project-devel%[email protected]<castle-project-devel%[email protected]> > > >> > > > >> <castle-project-devel%[email protected]<castle-project-devel%[email protected]> > > >> > > <castle-project-devel%[email protected]<castle-project-devel%[email protected]> > > >> > > > >> > > <castle-project-devel%[email protected]<castle-project-devel%[email protected]> > > ... > > read more »
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