I feel sorry for you. I really do.
-george
>From: "Paris Lundis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: Revenge has it's place
>Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 00:52:21 -0400
>
>I started the rant fund about the family subsidies...
>
>here's are my points, candidly speaking:
>
>I grew up poor.. My family never benefited from government welfare
>directly, only tax bracket wise. I started working when I was thirteen
>and made a go since then.
>
>I learned being poor sucked and to overcome such you must work and
>constantly educate yourself.
>
>My parents had three children. We all work and make our share.
>Candidly, we do better than most, and I do as well as anyone from
>anywhere.
>
>Government subsidies and public school taxation never provided squat
>for me. I saw the need and the means and sought it. I don't think it
>is some gift or I was lucky. I applied myself. I studied those that
>made it. I absorbed technology like most people sat around absorbing
>TV... while the other folks did drugs, got laid and generally jerked
>off I was working and gaining experiences.
>
>Let's face it, the difference between the average poor average IQ
>person and the average middle class or upper class kid with average IQ
>isn't much... Just that the middle class kid most often has a good
>safety net and a parent based referral group to bail him/her out. Not
>to mention the tools to look more polished sooner and the numbers to
>call earlier...
>
>The average folks will be average folks... You can educate everyone and
>hand out PHDs for obedience and have a wholistically over qualified to
>do anythiing (and likely not to do anything) workforce. I see many
>Wendy's manager with college degrees... I know people who have been
>students for 15+ years in colleges, obviously a stress free career I am
>paying for as well.
>
>Education is everywhere. Don't expect us to pay for yours or your
>childrens... go bus tables, mow lawns, etc. Pay your dues... and if
>that isn't enough get a second job or third job... sell your blood...
>do whatever it takes. Reminds me of the humor everytime I see people
>starving in African countries... no water.. no sewage... all messed
>up.. they won't leave and they keep screwing up and reproducing..
>
>I choose not to have kids now, why? Because I can't afford to and can't
>provide the adequate time to supervise and mentor since I work fulltime
>plus.
>
>That brings me to another point. All sorts of people want daycare
>sponsorships and subsidies as well... On my end I would pay 600-900 a
>month, but some get big subsidies so they can work they can work their
>6-10$ an hour job... what gives?
>
>I want a Ferrari real bad, maybe the government will let me deduct it
>as a child, after all it needs to go to the shop all the time, has to
>be stored in special storage and needs new shoes all the time... and
>heck maybe I need 2 or three of them to make up for my own inadequacy..
>Just doesn't sound right does it?
>
>Children are hardly our future, for most everyone they are your legacy.
>Your way of trying to live on forever. A support group that can chump
>up some cool things you said or did... Hell everyone wants to be
>immortal and idolized.
>
>Face it, we aren't an agricultral based society.. we don't need kids to
>maintain the farm... But from what I hear, it seems like the
>government does its best to reward people for creating more consumers.
>
>What I think really is people have nothing better to do and people have
>too much easy time and rewards for reproducing... heck another annoying
>thing:
>
>You get pregnant and have a kid, both your and your husband can take
>quite a bit of time off work and we subsidize your wage while you do
>such.. up to 6 weeks...
>
>I have an idea, I am stressed and would like to take 6 weeks off and
>explore my bedroom and get some sleep... Funny how I can't get the same
>deal... isn't fair...is it?
>
>Remember flat consumption based taxes... that is a good start... you
>use more, you pay more... not you make more you pay more... heck maybe
>that is right they just haven't applied it correctly.. stated:
>
>you have more children, you pay more, because you use more.
>
>And another thing, social security tax... let me out... if I can't
>build wealth in 60+ years or I can't invest it or I don't have
>children/family to care for me or I don't want to work, I should indeed
>suffer. Social security was a just in case policy.. it wasn't meant to
>dole money out to everyone... Geez geezers, how we forget.
>
>that's how I see it...
>
>-paris
>[finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present]
>[connecting people, places and things]
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Judith Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 00:09:13 -0400
>Subject: RE: Revenge has it's place
>
> > At 10:59 PM 6/12/01 Raymond wrote:
> > >What about the Marva down at the trailer park who only has 2
> > children and a
> > >job that pays slightly over minimum wage. Should we tax her enough
> > to cover
> > >the cost of educating her kids... tax her enough so that she can't
> > afford
> > >food.
> >
> > First of all, I'm not anti-family. I just feel like I paid my share,
> > others should do the same.
> >
> > If our tax dollars weren't going to pay for Maybelline's 8+ rug rats,
> > there
> > would be enough to educate Marva's 2 - she's working and paying taxes
> > so I
> > don't have a problem with helping her out some. Although I would
> > question
> > why, with birth control readily available, anyone who is only making
> > minimum wage would have two children. One maybe..but not more.
> >
> > I will admit I'm a real hard ass about this. Few things make me
> > madder
> > than some news story about this poor homeless, pregnant woman with 5
> > kids
> > who needs 'help'...if she's homeless with 5 kids, she should have
> > kept her
> > knees together. I have absolutely no pity, and I certainly don't
> > want my
> > money going to pay for her mistakes.
> >
> > I'm not against education, although I think the current system is
> > rotten to
> > the core, and much better education for all children could be had at
> > a much
> > lower price if the bloat of the bureaucracy was eliminated and real
> > educators put in charge.
> >
> > You may be right though about education being the only way to break
> > the
> > cycle. So I'll ask the government if they'll only use my tax dollars
> > to
> > pay for birth control classes. What? It's illegal? My, my!!
> >
> > JC
> >
> >
> >
>
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