Ray,
parenting isn't easy I am aware of that...
but in today's world of we have fathers too who get time off if they
want it... if I have a project and people are missing because of
pregnancy, clients don't give a crap..
Additionally, while benefits cost my company 1-200$ per month, those
with the wife and kids expect to absorb corporate resources of $500-600
a month... which indeed is unfair as well... perhaps single folks
should get cash bonuses to cover the difference :)
I recognize people work hard... but then again I see that people want
all these easy routes.. I see tons of students with bad attitudes and
lots of free money... I see tons of people defaulting... I see people
with credit debt and banruptcy protection they use to forgive way too
much money... we hardly live in such a responsible society...
I also see a lot of single mothers, especially the poor and ethnic
minorities says the new census.
All of which brings me to my point, which is, just because it would be
harder to flip burgers than work my desk job doesn't mean I at least am
blind to the effort and difference between work, effort, etc. To play
near here would seem as if maybe we ought to pay you the same amount as
the grill guy at McDonalds... which would be a socilist concept...
afterall shouldn't you both have the same opportunity?
people with children get more benefits while they pay less.. it is a
simple equation... this pro-creation stuff is somewhat amusing, as if
no one wants to control it...or is able to...
work and family are in opposite for anyone who has a career... and they
have been forever.
lower my taxes, you pay the same amount as me based on consumption... I
get a few months of time every 9 month or so cycle too... don't punish
me because I choose not to reproduce...
-paris
[finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present]
[connecting people, places and things]
-----Original Message-----
From: "Raymond Camden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 07:58:28 -0400
Subject: RE: Revenge has it's place
>
> > Government subsidies and public school taxation never provided
> squat
> > for me. I saw the need and the means and sought it. I don't think
> it
> > is some gift or I was lucky. I applied myself. I studied those
> that
> > made it. I absorbed technology like most people sat around
> absorbing
> > TV... while the other folks did drugs, got laid and generally
> jerked
> > off I was working and gaining experiences.
>
> That's a fundamental difference between you and I. While I accept
> that there
> are _many_ lazy people in this world, there are _more_ hard working
> people.
> They may not be as smart as you or I, but they work just as hard, if
> not
> harder. Heck, my job is cake compared to others. I can't remember the
> last
> time I broke a sweat coding.
>
> > The average folks will be average folks... You can educate everyone
> and
> > hand out PHDs for obedience and have a wholistically over qualified
> to
> > do anythiing (and likely not to do anything) workforce. I see many
> > Wendy's manager with college degrees... I know people who have been
> > students for 15+ years in colleges, obviously a stress free career
> I am
> > paying for as well.
>
> Um... no. Yes, the government has grants and financed loans for
> colleges. I
> needed that to help finish my degree since I wasn't "rich" enough to
> afford
> a public university. I'm paying off my loan, as do a majority of the
> people
> who get them.
>
> Again, why are you blaming the majority of hard working people for a
> small
> minority of people who abuse the system?
>
> > You get pregnant and have a kid, both your and your husband can
> take
> > quite a bit of time off work and we subsidize your wage while you
> do
> > such.. up to 6 weeks...
> >
> > I have an idea, I am stressed and would like to take 6 weeks off
> and
> > explore my bedroom and get some sleep... Funny how I can't get the
> same
> > deal... isn't fair...is it?
> >
>
> You are so right! Taking care of a child is like a vacation. Yep, I
> remember
> how much I enjoyed waking up 6-7 times a night to feed my child. I
> remember
> how 'easy' it was to watch him _all_ day long. Man, you know
> absolutely
> _nothing_ about what it means to raise a child. It is work, not a
> vacation.
> Yes, it's worth every second, but it's not like taking a vacation.
> Next you
> will say, "Well, this was your choice," and you are correct, but come
> on -
> having a child is important to both the parents and to the world. If
> a woman
> has a job and wants to take time off after she gave birth, she should
> be
> allowed to w/o risk of losing her job. Not every family can live on
> just the
> man working. In my family, we can get by like that, but that's only
> because
> I am a very well paid programmer. Most people need both parents
> working.
> These aren't POOR people, they are NORMAL people. Letting the mother
> take a
> few weeks off to take care of her child is not a hand out, it's
> simple human
> decency. Who would you 'allow' to have children, Paris?
>
> Raymond Camden
>
>
>
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