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----- Original Message -----
From: "Christine Lawson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 3:23 PM
Subject: RE: Positive Outlooks in the CF community
> Hello Everyone,
> I am just reading through all of your posts and wanted to respond. I'd
first
> off like to state that when I speak to any new ColdFusion customer I tell
> them about the Community and how strong, helpful and committed you are. I
> also always give them the cf-talk list information and urge them to sign
up.
>
> I started with Allaire so I know the history behind this group and I have
> been nothing but impressed... The community remains a focus for us and
> internally we are discussing technote notifications, e-mail distribution,
> and tons more. We want to hear what you would like to see us change or
what
> you think is working and what is not. I'm also passing this thread on to
my
> management as well for their review. I should add that anytime you feel
you
> are not being heard you can e-mail me ([EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ) and I will pass on your opinions or
> concerns. I believe Christian has also offered that as well in the past.
So
> let us know what you'd like to see and I can guarantee at the very least,
we
> will make sure you are heard.
>
>
>
> Christine Lawson
>
> Macromedia
>
> From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 5:16 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Positive Outlooks in the CF community
>
>
>
> I think the disconnect in views here is what is thought of as "positive
> thinking" in the community. I think the CF community DOES think positively
> about CF as being their favorite tool. And I think it's their favorite
tool
> because they do see how useful it is. And cf-talk is certainly active with
> people helping each other, which can also be seen as positive.
>
> What the community is negative about is all the things they can't control
> that eat away at their choice of CF. Things like:
> - The software is expensive.
> - Hosting is more expensive.
> - Job listings for everything but CF. Yes the whole industry slumped,
but
> it hurt CF developers more since there were already fewer jobs available.
> - MM does spend a lot of energy developing things that aren't CF. (That
> doesn't necessarily equate to less CF dev, but they do do things that a
> person that is only interested in CF doesn't need.)
> - Dreamweaver is NOT the best CF dev tool, but it gets the development
> focus.
> - Few to no robust open-source CF applications. How many times have
people
> asked for a forum?
>
> In that list, the last one is really the only one that the community as a
> whole can do anything about. The development tool issue is also being
> somewhat addressed with the Eclipse work.
>
> And it's also worth noting that because the CF community is relatively
> small, the opinions and attitudes are natually distilled and reinforced
> compared to a larger, disperse community like PHP. The vitriol is going to
> seem stronger to someone in Sean's position because of that.
>
> -Kevin
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Johnson"
>
> > I think Sean definitely has a point.
> >
> > I have seldom been a part of an online community that is less happy with
> itself or its vendors (Director users are the only users who moan louder):
> > The sky is falling is the tenor of most posts not about specific
technical
> questions.
> >
> > Look at all of the responses to Sean's point:
> > There are no CF jobs anywhere in the world.
> > Net is winning
> > MM sucks.
> > CF is too expensive.
> >
> > Not much positive there.
> >
> > But it is not (just) CF-Talk or CF-Community that suffers this way, it
is
> the entire CF development world. We are for the most part a
> glass-is-half-empty crew. I think this is due to a lack of good press and
a
> lack of a vocal evangelist (vocal to non-converts. Ben does a fantastic
job
> with the converted, we just need more converted). I think it is largely
> perception, or tiredness, or lack of anything FUN or SEXY as part of CF.
> We've been doing the same stuff now for 5 or 6 years. There is not much we
> can do that others can't. Maybe we can do it faster, but where is the
extra
> sizzle that you can only get through CF? Where are the smokingly cool
> examples every week we can pass on to our bosses or potential clients?
> >
> >
> > To bounce to a completely different thought, from my point of view,
things
> have never been better.
> > Hosting of CF is cheaper and more stable than ever.
> > I personally have moved 10+ sites from plain htm to cfm this year.
> > I have built another 20+ using CF as a template generator and publish
> to plain htm (for those who think they need the $5.00/month hosting)
> > My current job was listed in the paper as a perl position. We also
> hired a Java expert and 5 htm coders since then. All are now 99% Cold
Fusion
> in their daily tasks.
> > CF Studio 5 still works fine.
> > CFMX is a drastic improvement over CF5
> > CF-Community rocks (the people), and the help available on cf-Talk is
> as good as any other community on the web. Period.
> >
> >
> > Jerry Johnson
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> _____
>
>
>
>
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