At 01:43 PM 9/20/01, you wrote:
>1. I was under the impression that Arafat DID tell his people not to
>attack, however two small factions said they would not respect that.
He's the leader and the top cop. He should stop them from ruining HIS
peace. He doesn't. And these weren't just some random people. They were
aligned with his faction.
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/world/international-mideast-leadall.html
The Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, a group linked to Arafat's Fatah faction,
took responsibility for the West Bank killing.
>2. We WILL infiltrate those organizations Michael. Brother, no brother,
>cousin...whatever. Money speaks loudly to most of them. Not all, I know,
>but it will only take one. Okay, you might say that money means nothing to
>a person who is prepared to die. I would counter that by saying, "What
>does it mean if the person who is prepared to die all of sudden questions
>the religion that he/she is dying for?". Never underestimate the ability
>of the US to influence, massage, and generally confuse the subject. We
>have been doing this in the Middle East for years, and now it is time that
>we use this influence to our advantage. We have at least 30 years of
>political maneuvering, plotting, and manipulation at our disposal. Id say
>we are going to use that before we trigger a Jihad with the entire Islamic
>world.
Yes we'll get into some small terrorist cells but the big ones, the real
ones will be immune. Lets look at a related example (infiltration that is)
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/20/business/20MONE.html
"The two brokers have absolute trust in each other," said Rowan
Bosworth-Davies, an expert on money laundering at the Control Risks Group.
"They often come from the same clan and that is why nothing is written down
or records kept."
>Once again, I am sure that US will resolve this situation (might take
>years, but hey, we have time). We will do it in the same behind the
>scenes, manipulative way we have been controlling the Israelis and the
>Arabs for years. The key here is that we will do it without too much
>force. Not just move in the tanks and say....."There! See? I killed 2000
>of you, respect me."
Rather than nay-say this I'll just hope that we can. We've given away so
much of our prestege and power that the terrorists and even many countries
just laugh at us. To paraphrase Bush, "this time we're not going to waste a
2 million dollar missile to hit a 20 dollar tent". That strike was a total
embarrassment and killed a lot of our 'face'.
I remember many years ago some russians were kidnapped in the middle east.
The KGB or someone simular just went out, grabbed the families of the
kidnappers and started tossing in body parts. "Give us our people now". No
threat, no or else. DO what we say. Never was another russian kidnapping.
Of course we don't do that. But if we started cutting up terrorists and
feeding their bodies to pigs, then maybe we'll get the same results.
>It really gets summed up like this....."Respect is earned, not given, and
>the way that you earn respect from a potential enemy is to get him/her
>first to trust you."
Riiiiiight. Respect is earned but in the middle east its not trust that
starts it. It's power or family. We don't have the family. What does that
leave.
>Gerry
>
>
>At 12:07 PM 9/20/2001 -0400, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
> >That's the point. We're talking about people that can't be arrested. If
> >they could, they would be (as 4 terrorists were arrested the other day).
> >Arrest those you know are planning an attack and if you can't, then remove
> >them.
> >
> > >Um.... no. Last time I checked, if you know someone is going to kill
> > >someone, you arrest them, not kill them.
> > >
> > >Maybe I'm taking your statement too literally, and it's a bit off topic
> > >from the current discussion.
> > >
> > >Of course, if you CAN'T arrest them, then yes, they should be killed.
> > >
> > >-Ray
> > >
> >
>
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