Right, I agree with the fact they are not like us, you know, advanced Westerners and all. Women with equal rights and all. Hell, women have been able to vote in this country since 1920.
But when did that ever allow us to go to war and kill people? Why are you talking all this moral stuff, when, before 9/11, you, and most Americans, gave it little or no thought? Now we are in sensed by it. "My God, look how they treat their women." I have news for you Beth, that is how a lot of the world treats women, sadly. Only, you don't see us running to correct that. Funny, not long ago many of the people in this group and the conservative news were angry that we were sending people to the Balkans, bashing the UN. Rush Limbaugh whining up a storm. There was rape, torture, enslavement, etc. there, but no, we can't be a world police force. Now, only a few years later, that tune has changed. Like usual, people on the right think the people on the left are weak and not thinking, not wanting to take action. The politicians have done such a fine job of creating a huge chasm between us that you must be on one side or the other, that there is no middle ground that can be used for critical thinking. Our schools do a fairly miserable job in educating us about history and our past. I was appalled by this terrorism bill, as we all should be. -Gary > -----Original Message----- > From: Fleischer, Beth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 11:20 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: How long? > > > And lets not forget to point out the the taliban has taken away basically > all rights from the women of their country who were formerly pretty > westernized - doctors and lawyers. They have removed their > rights to learn > or be educated, removed their rights to work. Many women are > forced to beg > to survive because they dont' have a husband to provide for them. Some > can't even go outside because they dont' have the proper clothing > (which is > apparently not cheap to purchase). Women are not permitted to walk on the > street with a man that isn't in their immediate family - I recently read a > story about a woman who was rushing her son who had a 105 degree fever to > the doctor. She was shot by two teenage boys who were some sort > of "hitler > youth" type organization of the taliban because she shouldn't have been > outside by herself. > > The taliban have committed huge crimes against the afghan people and the > world will be a better place without them. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Larry Lyons [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 7:37 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: How long? > > > > Amnesty International Reports have amply documented quite a few > > crucifixions. Also a common punishment has been to bury > transgressor alive > > and then drive tanks and other heavy vehicles over the burial spot. The > > Taleban has also committed quite a few massacres of civilians and have > > engaged in ethnic cleansing of places in Northern Afghanistan, for > > instance > > this report back in 1998: > > > http://web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/Index/ASA110081998?OpenDocument&of=COUNTRIES > > \A > > FGHANISTAN, or this one from last January: > > > http://web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/Index/ASA110012001?OpenDocument&of=COUNTRIES > > \A > > FGHANISTAN. > > > > does it matter how they die? The fact is that the Taleban has engaged in > > genocide. > > > > larry > > > > -- > > Larry C. Lyons > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > EBStor.com > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > http://www.pacel.com > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > -- > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Gary P. McNeel, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 11:32 AM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: RE: How long? > > > > > > > > > How do you know they didn't crucify people? Maybe they just > > > take them out > > > back and shoot them in the head. No, these people are just > > > another flavor of > > > what is there now, only less organized and probably more lethal. > > > > > > -Gary > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 9:40 AM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: RE: How long? > > > > > > > > > > > > Given Rabanni's record of the 90's not much. But they did > > > not require the > > > > burkas on all women, nor did they crucify people who disagreed > > > > with them. I > > > > am hoping that a very wide coalition government headed by > > > the former king > > > > will be put in place. He at least has a record of > > > attempting to set up a > > > > constitutional democratic government. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Larry C. Lyons > > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > > > EBStor.com > > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > > > http://www.pacel.com > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 10:33 AM > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > Subject: RE: How long? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know what the taleban are capable of. thing is, i've known > > > > > since before > > > > > sept 11. they have been doing what they do for years, and > > > > > no-on has bombed > > > > > them. this war has absolutely nothing to do with their human > > > > > rights abuses. > > > > > furthermore, where is the evidence that the northern alliance > > > > > will be any > > > > > better? > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: 02 November 2001 15:28 > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > Subject: RE: How long? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry but I equate the Taliban with Nazis, there is only one > > > > > effective way > > > > > to deal with them. Against almost any one else I'd be > > > > > advocating alternative > > > > > means but not for these. They have a record that is truly > > > > > horrific. You need > > > > > to read the reports on the Taliban by Amnesty International > > > > > and Human Rights > > > > > Watch to know the depths that these people have gone. > > > > > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Larry C. Lyons > > > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > > > > EBStor.com > > > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > > > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > > > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > > > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > > > > http://www.pacel.com > > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 10:16 AM > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > Subject: RE: How long? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hmphhh..... > > > > > > > > > > > > not really what i meant larry... > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > Sent: 02 November 2001 15:14 > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > Subject: RE: How long? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. Maybe its time to start dropping Fuel Air Explosives > > > > > > on those caves. > > > > > > > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Larry C. Lyons > > > > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > > > > > EBStor.com > > > > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > > > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > > > > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > > > > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > > > > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > > > > > http://www.pacel.com > > > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 10:02 AM > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > Subject: RE: How long? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well then maybe a change of tactics is whats required? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > Sent: 02 November 2001 14:57 > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > Subject: RE: How long? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its rather hard to make an impact on someone who doesn't give > > > > > > > a damn for > > > > > > > their own people, while they are in caves with hundreds of > > > > > > > feet of bedrock > > > > > > > above them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps if the Taliban were directly affected (i.e.. the > > > > > > > leadership) things > > > > > > > would be different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Larry C. Lyons > > > > > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > > > > > > EBStor.com > > > > > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > > > > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > > > > > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > > > > > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > > > > > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > > > > > > http://www.pacel.com > > > > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 9:51 AM > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > > Subject: How long? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How long does it take a Superpower to bomb a third-world > > > > > > > > country into submission? We've been bombing Afghanistan > > > > > > > > since Oct 7 - I > > > > > > > > would have thought it would be over by now. Here it is, > > > > > > > > November 2, and we don't seem any closer to an end. What > > > > > > > > concerns me is > > > > > > > > that there are some who think that Iraq may have been > > > > > > > > involved and may be the target of the next campaign. Iraq > > > > > > > > has a much better > > > > > > > > military than Afghanistan so how long would that one take? > > > > > > > > And, a campaign against Iraq would be completely different > > > > > > > > that the Gulf > > > > > > > > war because we wouldn't stop short of going into Baghdad > > > > > > this time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On a side note - I guess the people of Vieques are > > > happy that > > > > > > > > the US Navy has moved on to bombing Afghanistan... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Howie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
