I do fault religious folks for imposing their religion on my laws. If our rights are inherent why do we need to define them at all? Its because they aren't really inherent - some folks differ in opinion as to rights.
> -----Original Message----- > From: Lon Lentz [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 11:41 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Bush Wins! > > I don't fault religiously oriented people making their legal arguments > based on their religious affiliations. We all have to have a basis for > the way we see things, even if their reasoning annoys other people. We > as a society do not see marriage with another as a right and therefore, > we pass laws to control it. Therefore, the majority wins, no matter why > they believe that way. > > Also, and I'm not trying to pick nits. Constitutions are about defining > the roles and limitations of government. The US Constitution tells the > government what its job is and what authority the people allow it to > have. The Bill of Rights reminds the government of some of the people's > rights. Rights which can not be infringed. We do not derive these rights > from the Constitution. We do not derive these rights from the > Government. Our rights are based on our mere existence. And the > Government's authority is based on our permission. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fleischer, Beth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 12:13 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Bush Wins! > > <snip> > > However, as an example of where religion has no place in law: in alaska > they just voted to add to the constitution that a marriage can only be a > man > and a woman in order to prevent same sex marriage from ever being > legalized > in this state. When discussing this with proponents of it they claimed > the > reasoning was that a) same sex marriage is against the law of the bible > - > the bible specifies man and woman so therefore a same sex marriage can > never > be a marrriage and b) its a crime against god and c) it makes a > "mockery" > of heterosexual marriage. Now, same sex marriage was not legal in > alaska > before this happened, but they wanted it in the constitution of the > state to > ensure their religious beliefs would be inflicted on generations to > come. I > had the opportunity to talk to a woman who was involved in writing the > Alaska State Constitution and she was just terribly upset about the > whole > thing - it goes totally against the constitution which is about the > rights > given to the people by the state - to make its purpose to remove rights > from > individuals is just apalling to her. But I digress: the point being is > that these folks reasoning involves god all the way - the bible says its > bad, god struck down sodom and gomorrah - these concepts have no place > in > law, whatsoever. And generally folks who believe this stuff do not > understand that their religious beliefs are just that - there is no > conception that their religious views dont' apply to everyone. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
