We all know what water is, so why do we need to teach children that it's H2O?
Do children inherently know their ABC's? No, we must teach them, even though the ABC's never change and existed before they were born and will exist afterwards. They are not born knowing their ABCs. And they are not born knowing their rights. The Bill of Rights says, "We believe these are the rights that God has given to all of us. We want to make sure we all know what those rights are so that they are protected for future generations." Even so, look how many people want to trample our rights. In one poll a few years ago, 37% of those polled couldn't name even one of the five freedoms guaranteed by the First Amendment. As to people having different opinions over rights, what does that mean? If one person says it's day and another says it's night, obviously, one person is wrong. If one person says you have a right to free speech and another doesn't, obviously, one person is wrong. And you need not be a religious person to believe in Natural Law (many of the Founders were not). H. -----Original Message----- From: Fleischer, Beth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 12:49 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Bush Wins! I do fault religious folks for imposing their religion on my laws. If our rights are inherent why do we need to define them at all? Its because they aren't really inherent - some folks differ in opinion as to rights. > -----Original Message----- > From: Lon Lentz [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 11:41 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Bush Wins! > > I don't fault religiously oriented people making their legal arguments > based on their religious affiliations. We all have to have a basis for > the way we see things, even if their reasoning annoys other people. We > as a society do not see marriage with another as a right and therefore, > we pass laws to control it. Therefore, the majority wins, no matter why > they believe that way. > > Also, and I'm not trying to pick nits. Constitutions are about defining > the roles and limitations of government. The US Constitution tells the > government what its job is and what authority the people allow it to > have. The Bill of Rights reminds the government of some of the people's > rights. Rights which can not be infringed. We do not derive these rights > from the Constitution. We do not derive these rights from the > Government. Our rights are based on our mere existence. And the > Government's authority is based on our permission. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fleischer, Beth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 12:13 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Bush Wins! > > <snip> > > However, as an example of where religion has no place in law: in alaska > they just voted to add to the constitution that a marriage can only be a > man > and a woman in order to prevent same sex marriage from ever being > legalized > in this state. When discussing this with proponents of it they claimed > the > reasoning was that a) same sex marriage is against the law of the bible > - > the bible specifies man and woman so therefore a same sex marriage can > never > be a marrriage and b) its a crime against god and c) it makes a > "mockery" > of heterosexual marriage. Now, same sex marriage was not legal in > alaska > before this happened, but they wanted it in the constitution of the > state to > ensure their religious beliefs would be inflicted on generations to > come. I > had the opportunity to talk to a woman who was involved in writing the > Alaska State Constitution and she was just terribly upset about the > whole > thing - it goes totally against the constitution which is about the > rights > given to the people by the state - to make its purpose to remove rights > from > individuals is just apalling to her. But I digress: the point being is > that these folks reasoning involves god all the way - the bible says its > bad, god struck down sodom and gomorrah - these concepts have no place > in > law, whatsoever. And generally folks who believe this stuff do not > understand that their religious beliefs are just that - there is no > conception that their religious views dont' apply to everyone. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
